Getting the right care to the right people at the right cost: An interview with Ron Walls
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is McKinsey on Healthcare, a podcast series about visionaries, leaders, and problem solvers shaping the future of healthcare.
How big a problem is healthcare productivity in the U.S. and what savings are possible?
In 2017, total healthcare spending accounted for 18% of the U.S. economy, and we are on track to reach 20% of U.S. GDP by 2027. Numerous factors have been blamed for our higher healthcare spending, but one that has been largely overlooked is poor productivity within the healthcare delivery sector. One example of this? Between 2001 and 2016, healthcare delivery contributed 9% of the growth in the U.S. economy, but 29% of the net new jobs. Put another way, an added employee in healthcare gave only a third of the productivity value that an average U.S. employee delivered. By many metrics, the U.S. healthcare delivery industry is not efficient and has not kept pace with the productivity improvements of other U.S.
services industries. We believe that the health care system in the United States could cumulatively save $1.2 trillion to $2.3 trillion over the next decade if we were to double down on improving productivity.
How did Ron Walls’s background lead him to healthcare leadership?
At face value, the problem is simple. Getting the right care to the right people at the right cost. But anyone who has touched or worked in the industry knows that it's a lot more complicated. As part of our productivity series, we explore the opportunities to improve health care productivity... and the steps that leaders across healthcare could be taking today to seize these opportunities. In today's episode, McKinsey partner Pooju Kumar is joined by Ron Walls of Brigham Health.
Today, I'm joined by Dr. Ron Walls, who's the Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer at Brigham Health, to discuss his perspective as a major hospital operator. Ron, thanks so much for joining me today. I'm going to ask one unrelated question, which is, I'd love to just have you play back the story of how you got into medicine overall.
When I was an undergraduate, I was in math and computer science and my goal was to do an MBA and think about business applications of computers. I interestingly happened to go on a long car ride from the small town I grew up in in Northern British Columbia to Vancouver to try to find an apartment for my next year in university. with a guy I didn't know. And he had just finished his first year of medical school, and his father was one of the two general practitioners in my town. And he talked to me about medical school in that 10-hour car trip. And when I got in at the beginning of the trip, I was just going to finish my fourth year. And by the time I got out, I was trying to figure out the logistics of taking all of my prereqs in one year.
And I thought, I'll apply once. And if I get in, I'll go. And if I don't get in, I won't apply again. I'll just carry on with plan A. And I got into med school and away I went.
Look where you are today. Ron, from your perspective, why has the industry struggled to address productivity?
Part of the challenge is that a lot of these big complex organizations, like academic medical centers, started with the same principles as community hospitals. Small numbers of departments, relatively small operations, not too complicated. And as they've grown, the prowess and reputation of a manager has really been attributed to their span of control rather than necessarily their abilities. So you see these very capable managers managing several units, and you've got a troubled unit, so you add it to that manager, and that person continues to accumulate this portfolio, and having the portfolio is at least as important as making sure that each element in the portfolio is optimized. So I think we haven't really kept our eye on the ball in all circumstances about how we make each one of these units really work well.
And how much do you think the productivity problem can be solved, particularly by academic medical centers versus others in the system?
An academic medical center probably is the best positioned to address these issues because we like to do analysis, we like to work with data, we like to measure results, and we like to perform to measurable outcomes.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:06–0:15
2
How big a problem is healthcare productivity in the U.S. and what savings are possible?
0:15–1:17
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How did Ron Walls’s background lead him to healthcare leadership?
1:17–18:34
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Why have academic medical centers struggled to improve productivity?
18:34–29:29
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