Romanian Crime
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Thank you for downloading More or Less from the BBC. This is the version first broadcast on Radio 4. Here's Tim Harford. Hello and welcome to More or Less, your weekly look at numbers in the news and in life. This week we look for the most spurious statistical correlations we can find. Psychologist Gerd Gigerenzer tells us how to be savvy about risk. And speaking of risks, is lightning really a mass killer?
Something like 24,000 people a year worldwide get killed by lightning. 24,000 a year? It's a major hazard, yes.
But first, are Romanians responsible for a crime wave? In the run-up to the European elections, Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, UKIP, got in some bother over comments he made repeated here during an interview on LBC Radio.
I was asked a question, if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be.
Mr Farage has backpedalled somewhat from that, but he and other senior UKIP politicians have tried to make the case that there is a problem with Romanian crime, and they've used statistics to do that. The question is, has UKIP got the facts right? UKIP put out a full-page advertisement in the Daily Telegraph, and that advert makes three statistical claims. One of them's nearly true, one's a bit weird, and the third is just wrong.
28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in the metropolitan police area alone.
This statistic is nearly true. It's a couple of years out of date and when more or less looked at it last year, we realised that this was referring to 28,000 arrests, not to 28,000 people being arrested. And the difference is we could be talking about a much smaller number of people getting in trouble with the police again and again. But basically the claim is correct, although it's slightly context-free. The advertisement doesn't give us a sense of whether 28,000 arrests is an unusually large number, but we'll come back to that. Now for the second claim.
92% of all ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians.
Right. Now, this is the weird one. And Charlotte MacDonald is here to help me puzzle it out. Hello, Charlotte. Hi, Tim. Charlotte, what is an ATM crime? Is it stealing cash machines with a bulldozer? Or is it illegal begging beside an ATM? Or is it mugging people at a cash machine? Or is it stealing pins? What is it?
Are UKIP’s claims about Romanian crime in London accurate and what does the arrest figure really mean?
I I think you're right to ask because it's easy to misunderstand statistics when you make assumptions about what exactly they mean. And what do they mean? Well, not much really. There's no criminal offence of ATM crime and so there are no official statistics on the subject. So where did the number come from? UKIP were quite transparent about that. It's something a police officer said a couple of years ago in an ITV documentary. Here's a transcript.
The fact is 92% of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals. Very, very tight communities. Very tight gangs.
We went to the police officer's team, the Dedicated Check and Plastic Crime Unit in London, who told us the figure was based on police intelligence at that time. So what does that mean? We asked and were told they couldn't explain how they worked it out. The information was too sensitive to release.
But presumably they do have something in mind, though, when they say ATM crime.
They say it could mean any criminal activity that takes place at a cash machine, including stealing car details or even distraction theft. This is not just in London, by the way.
So what we know with certainty is there's a specialist police unit and they are very worried about Romanians monopolising some kind of cash machine-related crime, but they won't tell us more than that. Right, well, actually, that is weird.
On to the final statistic. 7% of all crime across the 28 EU member states was caused by 240 Romanian gangs.
Wow. True?
No, not true at all.
So where was this one plucked from?
OK, UKIP cites Europol, the EU's law enforcement agency, but UKIP mangled the statistic. It's not that Romanian gangs commit 7% of all crime.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:30
2
Are UKIP’s claims about Romanian crime in London accurate and what does the arrest figure really mean?
2:30–8:56
3
What does ‘92% of ATM crime is committed by Romanians’ actually refer to and where did that number come from?
8:56–17:40
4
Did UKIP misrepresent Europol’s claim about 240 Romanian gangs accounting for 7% of crime in the EU?
17:40–23:58
5
Overall, do Romanians commit more crime in the UK and what do conviction and prison data show?
23:58–28:21