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My Therapist Ghosted Me

Homeschooling, Garlic Breath & Arguments

01 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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This is a Global Player original podcast.

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5.716 - 13.805 Joanne McNally

She just gets those feet out wherever the wind may take her. I feel like I am finally a bit submissive. I'll go on the bottom now. I'm a bottom.

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13.825 - 19.792 Vogue Williams

You do not need a litre of water for a 5k run. You don't need any water. You don't know what I need.

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20.132 - 29.363 Joanne McNally

Would you not homeschool them? That's what the trad wives are doing. They seem to be very happy. You know what? I'll help. No, I can spell difficulty. Not just a pretty face.

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33.595 - 46.636 Vogue Williams

Well, well, well. Look at those locks. I can't wait to talk about their hair.

46.656 - 52.666 Joanne McNally

Jo, I don't know if you've noticed, but I have 60 miles of hair. Have you noticed, Joseph?

Chapter 2: What are the challenges of homeschooling children?

52.686 - 55.35 Joanne McNally

Why are you wearing the hair of 10 people?

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57.102 - 63.891 Vogue Williams

Well, if she grew her hair, that's the way it would grow. I've never... The look in that hairdresser's eyes by the end of the day.

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63.912 - 69.079 Joanne McNally

So he says, I have six packets of hair of Stano's in my hair.

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69.099 - 81.517 Vogue Williams

I think we should give Tommy a shout out on the main and on the bonus if he's still with us. Alive. Because I know how long it takes to put into my fine, pissy hair. But Joanne is like Mufasa.

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81.697 - 102.749 Joanne McNally

Tommy Bill Birchall is his name. I have to give him a shout out. He said he's no fingerprints left. It took almost a full day. And they were dying. How many hours? Maybe four, four or five hours. Something like that. That's not bad. It actually wasn't bad. He's a pro. He fucking flew through it. But he was, you could see the life going from behind his eyes.

103.85 - 121.332 Joanne McNally

So I had stenos put in, fake, not fake stenos, but like temporary stenos put in by Hadley. Clip-ins. Clip-ins, exactly. For the Claudia Winkleman show. And I really liked them. It made me feel very feminine. I felt very empowered. And I went, well, Joanne, while you're having your midlife audit, while you're getting your tattoos and buying your houses and adopting pets,

121.312 - 145.817 Joanne McNally

what else do you want to do and I was like get your steno so that's what I've done and when I say I went swimming the other day and the person I was with was like oh my god look at your hair you look like an otter and I was like an otter it's supposed to be a mermaid an otter excuse me Ariel yeah oh look you look like Shrek floating in the no it's supposed to be romantic Fiona

148.565 - 151.93 Joanne McNally

You're going to get green everywhere, Fiona. Get in.

153.152 - 163.386 Vogue Williams

I want to know how you're coping, John, because this is a lot of hair to deal with. And I did warn you about the amount of hair. Yeah. How are you getting on?

Chapter 3: How did Vogue perform at the London Marathon?

431.601 - 437.107 Joanne McNally

I haven't even told them about the surrogacy thing. I'm just like, let folk have a moment. I'm like, just have another baby.

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439.028 - 448.538 Vogue Williams

I see when people say it to me now, they're like, oh my God, congrats. And I know they're looking at me like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Four kids. What the fuck?

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448.771 - 471.755 Joanne McNally

I got a very strange message from a woman about you having a fourth child. And you know that we talk about this projection that all the time people are kind of projecting their own issues, traumas, insecurities, paranoias, whatever. And the message was something along the lines of, why is she doing this? Is she trying to show off? And I was like, I obviously didn't engage with the message.

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472.155 - 485.049 Joanne McNally

I think your fertility... triggered her in a way, which I don't know. I read it immediately and I was like, oh, this woman has obviously had some, you know, issues along the way. And she's kind of... No, Joanne, she's completely right.

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485.089 - 493.299 Vogue Williams

That's why I've had a fourth child. I only wanted to show off. It's a flex. There's literally no other reason except for the fact that I wanted to show off.

494.04 - 508.613 Joanne McNally

It's a fertility flex. It's a fertility flex. And my God, you've made your point. Your point has been made. This woman's got eggs for days.

509.656 - 521.337 Vogue Williams

No, we were on a walk and Spenny was like, oh, you're probably going to want to have... I was talking about Miriam O'Callaghan who had seven kids. Oh, yeah. Eight. Seven kids. I think... Eight! Joe, will you fact check that? How many kids Miriam O'Callaghan has?

521.357 - 528.85 Joanne McNally

Do you know she sent me a beautiful letter? She's very nice, isn't she? She's so kind and I actually must get on to her because I only actually found the letter a week ago.

528.87 - 528.99 Vogue Williams

Eight!

Chapter 4: What insights does Lena Dunham share in her new memoir?

668.14 - 670.967 Joanne McNally

Now, my walls... Will you get a flower wall?

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673.158 - 674.5 Vogue Williams

So for your content, of course.

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674.82 - 691.104 Joanne McNally

I'm a basic bitch. I'd like a flower wall if that's possible. Just some hydrangeas and a ring light. That's all I need. And I can go out with art. My garden, I've seen your garden and it is, it's like art. My garden's lovely, but it's just a normal little garden. But I would like, I'd like a flower wall there. If I can make some requests.

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691.504 - 698.895 Vogue Williams

Why don't I get you a flower wall for your garden and that can be your moving in present. No, no, let's keep the tack. Let's keep the tack up in yours.

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699.517 - 724.427 Vogue Williams

okay fine fine we'll keep all the only oh I can't wait for my fake firewall but I went over and I was introducing myself to the builders and I kind of went into the garden with Sven and I was like fuck's sake like I kind of I expected to see a crane or like a bulldozer or something there's nothing they're ripping up a floor and he was like well did you honestly think they were just going to come in on the first day and knock out the back of the house and I was like yes I did yes yes I was expecting serious movement yeah

Chapter 5: How do personal experiences influence creative partnerships?

724.407 - 750.381 Vogue Williams

I've moved in I've half packed should I change the kids school and then I had to get back onto the school and I was like sorry lads I'm after going a bit prematurely I have to put them back in for another year how would you not homeschool them that's all the trad wives are doing they seem to be very happy you know what I have so much time on my hands that I would love to homeschool the kids I also am the same I have a lot of time on my hands and I'd

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750.361 - 757.79 Joanne McNally

I'd love to come down and teach them civics and Greek and Roman mythology studies.

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758.09 - 760.694 Vogue Williams

You are very civicky. You're a civics teacher.

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761.294 - 774.771 Joanne McNally

And as you know, I have a first class degree in sociology, just to put that out there once again, and happy to lean in and teach. What was mine? Otto about sociology. Yeah.

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Okay.

775.1 - 789.447 Joanne McNally

If I was homeschooling my children, it would just be wall-to-wall nature tables and that'd be the height of it. They'd come out, they'd know what an acorn was, but they couldn't read. I need to lick my wounds.

790 - 790.801 Vogue Williams

What's happened?

791.222 - 792.384 Joanne McNally

I just had a weird show.

792.604 - 805.765 Vogue Williams

Why? No, I wouldn't say you did. I had a weird show. Unless you took out like a machete or something and threatened the audience. Besides that, I don't think it could have gone that far. Well, that's exactly what I did. It does sound like something you might do.

Chapter 6: What are the humorous moments from the marathon experience?

861.12 - 870.631 Joanne McNally

I was quite tired. I was quite tired. Do you know when you're like, just, you're like, I just couldn't get the energy in me. So I apologize. It was grand.

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870.651 - 872.273 Vogue Williams

It was fine. No one laughed or anything.

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872.293 - 873.214 Joanne McNally

Not that I could see anyway.

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874.055 - 892.347 Vogue Williams

My friend went to see you in Sydney. And first of all, Grace, thank you for not asking me to ask Joanne for a ticket. She bought tickets for Anne Square. Usually I'll have people. I'm like, I have to, I don't get back to certain people. I'm like, I'm not asking her for a ticket. I'm just not doing it. But even though you kindly give some, like fair play Grace, she said she had a great time.

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892.888 - 894.431 Vogue Williams

Yeah, that's nice. She had a great time.

894.731 - 911.054 Joanne McNally

She didn't go to the Tuesday snail show. It was like an out-of-body experience. I can't explain it. It was mad. And then, of course, I rang Rick, my agent, after and I was like, and he was like, stop. Stop this. Stop self-flagellating. But I think, do you know what?

911.415 - 920.089 Vogue Williams

Rick is like the complete wrong person to ring. He is such a boy's blokey boy. He'd be like, oh God, why is she making me cry?

920.35 - 935.635 Joanne McNally

No, he was actually fine. Now, I didn't cry. It wasn't that bad. But he was like, do you know what? There's always one weak show on a tour and you've just had it and that's it. But I think it's like, do you know when you have a cold sore on your face and you meet someone and you're like, you have to say that you're like, oh, I know I have a cold sore.

936.728 - 955.682 Joanne McNally

Do you ever get that, Joe, where you're like, I've got a spot in my face? Do you not know? Yeah, you get ahead of it. You've got to get ahead of it. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, so the show was fine, but it wasn't to what I would like it to be. At one point, I was like, I would literally, I would lie down here on the ground now and just nap. And I had two Red Bulls before I went on.

Chapter 7: How do the hosts feel about the concept of dating again?

1105.31 - 1107.595 Joanne McNally

I am very pro-Trump.

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1107.615 - 1110.882 Vogue Williams

We can... Gosh, what a revelation.

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1112.026 - 1122.678 Joanne McNally

Don't you dare tar us all with that book. And while I'm talking about that, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Denver, San Francisco, all on sale. Thank you. All on sale.

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1122.698 - 1127.102 Vogue Williams

Yes. And Joanne likes to say basil as well. Okay. Just so we know. Herbs.

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1127.122 - 1135.131 Joanne McNally

I don't believe in the height. I don't believe in the height. Speaking of spelling, can I actually ask you a question?

1135.432 - 1136.593 Vogue Williams

No, I can't spell jewellery.

1136.653 - 1144.209 Joanne McNally

I say jewels. Well, no one can spell jewellery. It makes no sense. I can't spell spaghetti or disappointed.

1145.591 - 1150.478 Unknown

Miss, oh no, I was thinking about that poem from Matilda, but that's Difficulty.

1151.199 - 1178.904 Joanne McNally

No, I can spell Difficulty, you know, I can obviously spell Mississippi because that obviously comes with a jingle and a tune. But I did a TV show over here yesterday. Yeah. called The Spelling Bee by Guy Montgomery. It is a big show in Australia and ultimately it is comedians spelling shit, right? So I was like, obviously, I'd love to join. I have a degree in English. Fire, fire, fire.

Chapter 8: What are the thoughts on celebrity relationships and engagements?

1348.732 - 1360.209 Vogue Williams

I'm finally going to get my comeuppance from Matt. Do you know what? We're thinking about doing a new tour. This sounds like a great piece of content for the tour. A little spelling bee.

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1360.41 - 1377.475 Joanne McNally

A spelling bee. I have to say, the show was a great crack. It was so much fun. Hat. Spell hat. Yeah. I was like... So then I was like... Because when Guy, when we opened the show... He was kind of, you know the way they ask you questions at the start of a show and they're like, oh, so like, you know, in Ireland, he was kind of taking the piss.

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1377.495 - 1394.38 Joanne McNally

He's like, you know, is your language different there? And I was very like, how dare you? This is all very racist coded and how dare you? Obviously, are you going to ask if we have Wi-Fi? Like, obviously we spell like you do. One, two, skip a few. The second I fucked up Caterpillar, I was like, it's different in Ireland.

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1397.568 - 1418.412 Joanne McNally

That's how we spell it in Ireland. That's how we spell it in Ireland. Stick to your guns. Yeah. We're our own ethnicity and it's different in our country. I got nearly every single word except the last round, which was literally like cat, mat, sat. Every word. Because I feel like... Because when you're young, you're writing and you're taking it in and you're like... It's just...

1418.392 - 1420.438 Joanne McNally

The muscle is gone.

1420.498 - 1429.261 Vogue Williams

Don't, listen, you don't need to feel bad about it. Like, I only got it because I'm such an avid reader. So I see these words crop up for me all the time.

1429.281 - 1434.375 Joanne McNally

She inhales, inhales books. I made a holy show of myself.

1435.486 - 1448.787 Vogue Williams

Listen, I know how that feels when you go on a show and you answer something stupidly, but you're also on a show and you're under pressure. It's not the same as spelling caterpillar amongst friends.

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