Fifteen Experts
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What is the background of the John Cox case and why did it attract media attention?
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And this case was first reported Monday by NBC News, and it revolves around Dr. John Cox. He told NBC he accidentally fell asleep while cuddling his one-month-old in bed in May and must have turned on top of her. The infant was taken into custody at that point. Mike Hixenbaugh is a national investigative reporter for NBC News. He's based in Houston. Mike, welcome to the Ideas Network.
Good morning.
As you probably know if you've been listening to this show for a while, journalist Mike Hicksonbaugh lives rent-free in my brain, as the kids say. Actually, do the kids say that anymore? I don't know. I'm in my 40s. Cut me some slack. But Mike is taking up that real estate not just because I have a personal grievance against him for his irresponsible and damaging coverage of my sister Megan Carter's case. Mike Hicksenbaugh, who presents as very progressive, has, in my opinion, propagated more anti-science abuse denialism than perhaps any other journalist in recent years. He has a lot to answer for. Whether he will ever answer for those things, or answer any of my detailed requests for comment, is another matter.
But I digress. When I first saw the Do No Harm series, I thought that he was probably right about some of these cases. Because, of course, false allegations of child abuse do happen. And it's something we should take seriously. No family should be unjustly separated. I thought it was very possible that this Peabody award-winning journalist with the resources of NBC at his disposal had actually done the legwork to find a case in which parents had really had their children wrongly removed. Such a case, I thought, might illuminate my kicks and baa's why. Sometimes an experience, whether it's something that happens in our own lives or a story we report on, can really colour how we see the world. Maybe if he'd found one family that had genuinely suffered the injustice of being wrongly accused of child abuse, it had caused him to see the phenomenon elsewhere where it wasn't happening.
But the more I looked into the individual cases in his series, as well as Mike's methodology for covering them, which we unpacked in detail in episode 8 of last season , the more I have become extremely dubious that he's found even one story of an actual false allegation. And while the entirety of his Do No Harm series for NBC got a lot of eyeballs and therefore did a lot of damage, Mike Hicksonbaugh's John Cox coverage had a particularly devastating impact. So today, we're going to take a closer look at Mike Hicksonbaugh's arguments for John Cox's innocence and see how they hold up to scrutiny. Here's how Mike described the situation in an interview with Wisconsin Public Radio that aired immediately after John Cox was arrested and Mike Hicksonbaugh's original NBC story dropped.
How does the host critique Mike Hixenbaugh’s coverage and the “15 experts” narrative?
Well, so the doctor, as you mentioned, brought his baby into his pediatrician because he was concerned that he had injured her collarbone. He's an ER doctor, and he knows how to assess these kinds of things. And what's happened in this case is the child abuse specialists are saying they've concluded this was abuse, but more than 15 other physicians who've examined the child, including several at Children's Wisconsin who are subspecialists in other areas of medicine, have said they've made mistakes in analyzing the child. A dermatologist said, who saw the girl, said those aren't bruises, those were birthmarks. A hematologist who evaluated the medical record said the child abuse team misread test results that seemed to point to a potential bleeding disorder that would explain easy bruising.
Orthopedic surgeons have looked at the case and said, That broken collarbone matches exactly the story that Dr. Cox told. But in the end, the DA and CPS have sided with the nurse practitioner and the child abuse team.
Listening to Mike here and reading his NBC coverage, I see why this story got people, including some listeners of this show, who are very well-versed in the flaws in media coverage of child abuse. Fifteen experts is a lot of experts.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the background of the John Cox case and why did it attract media attention?
0:04–2:53
2
How does the host critique Mike Hixenbaugh’s coverage and the “15 experts” narrative?
2:53–10:10
3
What do the child‑abuse specialists say about the infant’s bruises and birthmarks?
10:10–17:09
4
What is a “sentinel injury” and how does it apply to this infant’s injuries?
17:09–22:55
5
Is the reported clavicle fracture plausible from a rollover event without suffocation?
22:55–27:40
6
Why was a gag order issued and what does it reveal about the investigation?
27:40–32:38
7
What new evidence emerged from the on‑call nurse hotline call and how did it change the story?
32:38–40:47
8
What are the final conclusions about the 15‑expert argument and the case’s current status?
40:47–47:59