'Grit' author Angela Duckworth on how changing your situation can lead to success
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What is the central thesis of Angela Duckworth’s new book *Situated*?
Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. The other day, I was rushing my kid out the door to go to church, and I accidentally left my phone at home. I was about to turn the car around, but we were already late, so I just kept going, even though in the back of my head, I was wondering, oh, man, what if we get into a car accident and I have no phone? What if my kid flies through the window and I have no way of calling an ambulance? But you know what? None of those things happened. It actually felt kind of nice and liberating to be phone-free since I've been struggling to keep my screen time down. Willpower wasn't enough. My environment had to change. This is essentially the thesis to Angela Duckworth's new book, Situated.
She'd previously written a book called Grit about the power of perseverance, but this new book asks, what if perseverance isn't enough? She talks to here and now's Indira Lakshmanan after the break.
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Just do it isn't just Nike's marketing slogan. We have a cultural obsession with mind over matter. Society tells us that all it takes to overcome limits is determination and willpower. In her 2016 global bestseller Grit, University of Pennsylvania psychologist Angela Duckworth argued that passion and perseverance are the engines of achievement. A decade later, she's back with a change of heart. Grit is necessary, but it's not enough. The secret to success is not white knuckling your way through adversity, but changing the situation you're in. Her new book is called Situated. Angela Duckworth, welcome to Here and Now. Thank you, Indira. Happy to be with you. So, Angela, you open your new book with a terrifying story.
You took your 86-year-old mother snorkeling, and you were both swept away by a powerful ocean current. Your mom almost drowned. Tell us why this is the central metaphor for your book.
On that very windy afternoon, I tried to fight and kick my way to safety. I was towing my mother, and I couldn't beat the current. What I realized is that I can't win through effort alone. I need to fundamentally change the situation. So I stopped swimming and I started treading water. I kept her head up with one hand and with the other, I waved and signaled for help. And it was the nearby snorkeling instructor who quickly sped his boat to where we were and got us out. That was the beginning of the real rescue. And I think to me, the ocean is a perfect metaphor for our situation. It is much more powerful than you can imagine. And if we want to succeed, if we want to thrive, we have to actually be in a situation that is working for us, not against us.
All right. Well, 10 years after writing Grit, you now say our success or failure depends as much on the people around us and our environment as it does on ourselves. Tell us how you were influenced by Stanford professor James Gross.
You know, it was about 2011, I think, that I met this Stanford professor who studies emotion. And what he had discovered is that when people try to regulate their emotion, they don't want to feel anxious. What they often do is just try to change emotion directly. But what he had discovered is that it is far wiser to try to change the situation you're in, which changes your thoughts, which in turn change your response. to that thought and to that situation. What I did with James is to expand this view to say more generally,
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