In 'Hinterlands,' Hannah Lucinda Smith warns not to overlook conflict at the fringes
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What is the premise of Hannah Lucinda Smith’s book *Hinterlands*?
Hi there, I'm Alyssa Nadwarney, and this is NPR's Book of the Day. In the new nonfiction book Hinterlands, foreign correspondent Hannah Lucinda Smith focuses on conflicts in small places. These are places, countries, and borders few outsiders are paying attention to. And she writes about how the consequences of these conflicts can lead to or cause much larger scale wars. Smith spoke with all things considered host Mary Louise Kelly.
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Damascus in twenty eleven was the equivalent of Sarajevo in nineteen fourteen. Let me read that again. Damascus in twenty eleven was the equivalent of Sarajevo in nineteen fourteen, the reference being to the nineteen fourteen assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, the spark that led to World War One. Well, comparing that upheaval to the capital of Syria. A century later, that's one of the more provocative arguments in a new book by Hannah Lucinda Smith titled Hinterlands. Smith is a veteran foreign correspondent for the Times of London and The Economist, among others. She spent years reporting from the Middle East and the Balkans. Her book explores whether it's in hidden conflicts. Unfolding right now in little noticed border areas that a new world order
maybe taking shape. Hannah Lucinda Smith, welcome. Thank you very much for having me. Define
hinterlands. So the hinterlands that I go to in the book are places that sort of sit on the fringes and have always sat on the fringes previously of empires and in particular the Ottoman Russian, Persian, to extent British empires, and now on the fringes of spheres of influence. So the two spheres in particular that I look at in the book are the Russian sphere of influence under Vladimir Putin and the Turkish sphere of influence under Regitari Predwan, but also the West as well, broadly, imperfectly the West. I would say the West as in sort of centered around two organisations. Which are the European Union? And NATO. The hinterlands are the places that are sort of pulled between for a number of reasons.
Yeah. I kept as I was reading, I had my pen out and I was circling words like overlooked, neglected, backwaters. They keep appearing over and over in your pages. But you argue that we overlook or neglect these areas at our peril.
Why?
Precisely for the reason that they are dynamic. They're the kind of weak spots. They're where the Geopolitical edges fray. It doesn't take much in these places for small conflicts to start. And anyone who kind of looks at geopolitics and studies conflicts knows that small conflicts can be incredibly dangerous. Places like Nagono-Karabakh, this is a territory in the Caucasus. Some of your listeners probably will have heard of it actually because it was in the news in recent years because the conflict re-erupted there between Armenia and Azerbaijan. But it's a conflict that's been sort of ongoing on and off since the fall of the Soviet Union. It's never been solved. And a lot of these hinterlands are in similar conditions, particularly places in the Balkans in Bosnia.
And in Kosovo. Obviously, there was the the breakup of Yugoslavia in the nineteen nineties, the very bloody breakup of Yugoslavia. Peace deal stopped those wars, but they didn't actually create peace. They created this sort of you know, very imperfect stasis, which is just really, really sort of fertile ground. for leaders like Vladimir Putin or to a certain extent Rajib Tai Burdwan. to go and kind of make mischief and cause the West problems.
Yeah. So uh when I introduced you, um uh we laid out the comparison. Damascus, Syria in twenty eleven is Sarievo in nineteen fourteen. Just a Take me there, remind us what was happening in Damascus in twenty eleven.
So it feels a very long time ago now, doesn't it? Fifteen years, but it sort of feels like a different era.
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