'This is Where the Serpent Lives' is a sprawling debut novel set in modern Pakistan
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What is the premise of This Is Where the Serpent Lives and why is it considered a debut epic novel?
Hey, it's MPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaum. Today's book is one of those big, ambitious literary novels that goes for it. You know the type, the ones that tell a long and epic story spanning generations. A quick scan of the reviews have people name-checking Dickens and Chekhov, noting the novel's size and scope. Not bad for a debut, eh? The book is called This Is Where the Serpent Lives by Danielle Mounedid. It's set in Pakistan and it's exploring. class and family and crime and violence. In this interview with MPR Scott Simon, Moonidin talks about how Americans should see it as a distorting mirror to help understand themselves better. And he talks about the novel he scrapped because he couldn't bear what he needed to say.
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Bayes it has had a tough start in life. Doesn't even know exactly what it was.
Bayezid never knew how he came to be a little boy alone in the streets of Rawlpindi. He had a memory more of forces than of people. A crowd. Hand A hand no more. Yet the bazaars in those early nineteen fifties were not so crowded as that. And Raoul Pindi a town small enough that a lost little boy should be found. That was a bitter day when he accepted years later that there might have been no hand, no desperate parent seeking him in the crowd. He might have been abandoned, not lost. Kareem Khan, the owner of the tea and curry stall where his known history began. Could tell him only that he had been sitting in front of the stall on a fine winter day, three or four years old, wearing just the Shalvarkimis, barefoot and clean.
Holding a new pair of cheap plastic shoes tightly in his arms.
That's Daniel Munodin, the acclaimed short story writer reading from his debut novel. This is where the serpent lives. It's a sprawling novel that winds through families, decades, crimes, corruption, and power. In modern Pakistan? Daniel Munadin's previous collection of short stories, in other rooms, other wonders, and was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award. He joins us now from Oslo. Thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you for having me.
What do those shoes in little boy's arms say to uh Karim, the owner of the tea stall who takes him into his life.
Well I think I'm not sure what they say to him, but sh certainly they intrigue him. It's so odd that the boy should have the shoes and that they should be new. So I think it's just a question mark that is put in front of him.
And the tea stall becomes his school of life, doesn't it?
Yeah, that's right. I mean it's he has uh throughout the book there are a number of schools that he passes through, none of them formal. But uh yeah, that's the first one.
There's a startling scene where Bierged. Deliberately, calculatingly plunges a knife into his own leg. Rather than to lash out at his bullies. What's the effect of that?
Well, I think it what it shows his buddies is A that he's capable of violence and B that he's able to control his capability. The threat was that he was going to stab his opponent. And by stabbing himself he's proven how brave he is and yet has uh not gone to the extreme of hurting somebody which would have lead to trouble because he's the weakest member. He's the poor one, they are rich and if he had hurt them there would have been severe repercussions. It's a very smart move. The actual person upon whom Bayazid is formed, that's the one story in the book that actually is true from life. He told me that that happened to him when he was young. So I stole it lock, stalk and barrel from him.
Well that's what novelists do.
That's
true. Tell us about the relationship between Hisham and Shainaz.
Yeah, Hisham and Shahaz are you know, they're they're these wealthy uh Lahoris who in the beginning, of course, it's romance, and at some point the marriage becomes no longer a
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