Anthropic's Co-Founder and Top Economist on Doing Research at the AI Frontier
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odd Lots podcast. I'm Joe Weisenthal.
And I'm Tracy Alloway.
Tracy, I don't know. I think our listeners like it. But, you know, a lot of our episodes are about AI these days.
How does Anthropic ensure the safety of its AI models?
But to be fair to us, it's a pretty big topic.
That's all anyone wants to talk about. Whenever we go to dinners with sources and things and people who are not even directly in the tech industry, you know, they might be in markets, they might be in policy and economics. All they want to talk about is AI. And then inevitably... The conversation veers into very sci-fi territory where we all start talking about the human extinction scenario. And that's just the norm nowadays.
I know. It's so weird. You know, we were in Hong Kong recently. And when we were in Hong Kong, this was before it was announced that there was a deal to open the Strait of Hormuz. And East Asia was considered to be, like, ground zero for where the effects would be felt of the oil and jet fuel crisis, et cetera. And we were at this dinner with business people. Like, they were not talking about that at all.
No, they want to talk about the Terminator scenario.
What role does economics play in AI research at Anthropic?
They just want to talk about token consumption and all of these things. Like, here we are. It's like, wait, aren't you guys supposed to be, like, under all kinds of jet fuel stress? So this is our defense. For thinking AI is a pretty big deal.
For doing constant AI episodes. I think it's fair. I will also say, when we did the quiz in Hong Kong, we had a bunch of different teams with very creative names separated by tables. Low-value human capital.
That was a great one. They won the quiz.
They won, proving that there is value in human capital. But did you see that one of the tables was called Fable 13? Oh, well, there you go. Table 13, Fable 13.
How is AI impacting the labor market and productivity?
I missed that. Which was very topical at that moment. Very topical.
Very topical. We're recording this on June 17th. And of course, there's a lot in the news these days. But things move very fast in AI. Even if there weren't governmental controversies and all that stuff, you would have to mark the date in AI because of how fast breakthroughs happen. But, you know, as you said, like AI sort of feels like the most important thing than anything else. But. That's a very conventional wisdom. It was not always conventional wisdom. And I have a DM. I know you're not supposed to share DMs from public, but I have a DM.
You've got the receipts.
What is recursive self-improvement in AI?
I have the receipts. August 2nd, 2016. And I DMed a colleague. I said, did you leave Bloomberg? He says, yes, I'll be announcing publicly in a bit. Take a couple of months to study AI properly, then leaving journalism to do something else still connected to AI. Being our Google reporter was a great gig.
Something still connected to AI is an understatement.
And then the final, August 2nd, 2016. But AI is more important than anything else. So I felt best to sort of optimize for that above all else. And then I just said, well, good luck.
This is someone who truly learned from their sources, unlike us who remain in the podcasting industry.
So anyway, that person who would, that DM was a former Bloomberg reporter, Jack Clark, who is one of our guests today. He is the head of public benefit and co-founder of Anthropic, 10 years later, and also Peter McCrory, head of economics at Anthropic.
How does AI influence hiring practices in tech companies?
So two perfect guests to talk about all the things in AI these days. So Peter and Jack, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What are the main challenges of AI development today?
0:00–0:59
2
How does Anthropic ensure the safety of its AI models?
0:59–1:44
3
What role does economics play in AI research at Anthropic?
1:44–2:17
4
How is AI impacting the labor market and productivity?
2:17–2:47
5
What is recursive self-improvement in AI?
2:47–3:33
6
How does AI influence hiring practices in tech companies?
3:33–4:19
7
What are the implications of AI on national security?
4:19–5:08
8
What are the ethical considerations surrounding AI development?
5:08–1:08:54
Speakers
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