Citi's Dirk Willer on How You Know When the Bubble Is Over
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Oddlots Podcast. I'm Joe Weisenthal.
And I'm Tracy Alloway.
Tracy, uh markets getting interesting again.
I love interesting markets.
We do. We always say we're long volatility.
That's right.
Here at the Oddlots Podcast. All financial journalists are uh long volatility, I guess.
Yes. I mean you can actually see it in the listener and readership numbers. Um our traffic follows the VIX.
Some bad incentives for if it bleeds, it leads. I mean they've been saying this about the news forever.
Yeah. So at the moment we are recording this on Friday, November fourteenth. At ten
oh seven AM.
Yeah, we have to say that. We have to be very specific because things are changing so fast. At the moment, the S P five hundred is down like point seven percent, but it was down more than one percent earlier. And then yesterday it fell, you know, one point eight percent. So this is a pretty substantial slide. And of course it comes at a time when people were already worried about things like tech valuations and the possibility of an AI. Bubble.
Totally. The US stock markets had a phenomenal year. And this is all kind of minor in the grand scheme of things. But some of the moves haven't been that minor for some big things. It is some of the most volatile period since April, really. I mean, it's kind of been a smooth ride up since the end of April or the middle of April, whenever that bottomed. There's just a lot going on. Questions about the Fed. Gold, interestingly, had a massive year. And it also is selling off. So that sort of raises the question about what's been driving gold. Bitcoin getting absolutely clobbered, of course. You know, it's sort of a glorified tech stock and the way it trades. So many interesting things, so many market winners fading a little bit.
You know what was really interesting this morning? For a second, bonds weren't really doing anything.
What is the current market outlook and why do the hosts think we are in a bubble?
They weren't rallying. And so if if you can't go into gold, if you can't go into bonds, if everything's selling off at the same time, that seems kinda worrying. Well this is Well, this
is really interesting and probably needs to be discussed more, but you're absolutely right. I think yields on the tenure were actually up yesterday, November thirteenth. In the last week, I was looking at the Wort function on the Bloomberg terminal. Odds of a December rate cut have come in quite a bit. It's closer to a coin flip. A week ago, it was 66%. There have been some speeches from some of the FOMC members talking about, you know, they're an uncertain. Certain and part of the reason we're uncertain because we've had so little data. I guess we're gonna start getting data again now that the uh government's still Although it's still
gonna be messy.
It's still gonna be super messy. You know, understanding the economy in real time is hard in the best of times. It's really hard when there's no data. And then it's really hard when the data that does come out is going to be driven by the lack of government employment, which then make the data even more ambiguous. So a million questions, very interesting moment and a very interesting year for markets. We sort of gotta get a better understanding of what's going on.
Can I say one more thing before we get to our guest, which is I think part of the discussion at the Fed, we're kind of getting very circular here because I suspect what's happening is yes, the Fed is worried about inflation. So some FOMC members are getting a little bit more hawkish in their speech.
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