Greg Grandin on how the Monroe Doctrine Became the Donroe Doctrine
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What historical context does the episode use to introduce the Monroe Doctrine?
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Joe, I love doing American history episodes. In part because I feel like my own knowledge of American history is fairly simplistic and I do remember a huge culture shock when I went from high school to college. And I think I told this story before. So I went to college, university in London. And I had always heard the American Revolution described as the American Revolution, right? And then as soon as I got to the UK,
what do they call it? I never Yeah, what do they call it? Yeah.
Yeah, they call it I think the American War of Independence, which has a different tonality to it. Definitely. But it definitely demonstrates just how subjective tensions, conflicts, and policies can actually be in history, depending on who you're talking to. And we're gonna talk about not just a pretty subjective American policy, but one that has been reinterpreted and amended many, many times in the past.
Right. So obviously for us, this has been a Venezuela week, and there's all sorts of immediate questions that are sort of most directly relevant to we've been talking about the market elements mostly. We talked about oil. We talked about the uh sovereign debt, et cetera. But then there's all these questions, of course, about international law and what is legitimate and what is illegitimate. And I mean, I couldn't even believe the headline when I saw it. that we had arrested I know I I I was flabbergate. I know. I just the idea that that we'd arrested a uh head of state from another country is just absolutely gobsmacking. And then people talk about international law and then they say does international law even exist and so forth and what it feels like to some extent truly uncharted territory here.
Yep. Uncharted territory, but people are drawing on a parallel. Yes. Which is the Monroe Doctrine.
Yes.
The Monroe Doctrine of I think it was 1823, I wanna say, basically said that America would assert its dominance over the entire American region. And uh since then it's changed a number of times, but the way it's being talked about now is as The Trump corollary or the Donro Doctrine, which was described in the national security strategy document that the Trump administration put out back in December. And that one's a little different. So we keep seeing these amendments to the doctrine. By the way, I should just say, do you remember back in twenty thirteen, John Kerry explicitly said that the Monroe Doctrine was over? It was dead. It was dead.
I don't remember that.
And now it's back. It's arisen.
Some version of it is certainly back. You know, it's very interesting because the US clearly has a longstanding history of various operations, overt and covert, of involving itself, shall we say, with the politics and domestic affairs of our neighbors, particularly in the South and Central America and so forth. I suppose any country Is naturally going to have some security interest in what's happening in its proximity.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What historical context does the episode use to introduce the Monroe Doctrine?
0:00–5:52
2
How does Greg Grandin define the original 1823 Monroe Doctrine and its early intentions?
5:52–18:20
3
Why do the hosts say the Monroe Doctrine has been revived as the “Donroe Doctrine” under Trump?
18:20–36:29
4
What is the relationship between the Monroe Doctrine and modern U.S. international law claims?
36:29–43:03
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