How Insurance Costs Make NYC Construction So Expensive
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odd Lots podcast. I'm Joe Weisenthal.
And I'm Tracy Alloway.
So Tracy, everyone is like very into affordability these days
and the
cost of living and all that stuff. But I think, you know, there's all kinds of things you can do and whatever. But it seems like one fundamental thing, which is probably true. Mm-hmm. Is whatever we're talking about, whether it's building infrastructure for public transportation, whether it's building offices, whether it's building houses, like there's various costs involved. But one is like just the cost of construction and the cost of construction is very high. It's hard to imagine affordability improving much on anything.
Right. Yes, absolutely. I can't really debate that point. But it does seem like construction is this like one area where so many different things come into play. So you have the cost of basic materials, which have gone up, especially since the pandemic. You have the cost of labor,
which
has also gone up since the pandemic. You have the cost of insurance, which has also gone up since the pandemic. You have regulations, which we've done many, many episodes about the added costs from the permitting process for various things. It just seems like it's this bucket where you can throw all these different factors in and then get this kind of, like, reinforces itself and just makes it even more expensive.
Yeah, totally. And then, you know, you sort of hit it with the insurance, but also just, like, cost of financing, right? Because, like, as interest rates go high,
that compounds. Yeah, I forgot financing. That, too. That, too. It's a big bucket.
It's a big bucket. And, like, we know that construction is an area across the economy, not just in New York City, where we talked about it with residential housing. There hasn't been a lot of productivity growth, right?
Yeah. So,
like...
There's been like no productivity growth, according to at least one paper I read. I think it was a Richmond Fed paper. I will have to go back and check. But it's a really unusual industry in the sense that you haven't actually seen, you know, we don't have robots building houses
yet. So I don't know. You know, I think we need to learn more. You know, sometimes you see these viral statistics like, oh, the MTA spent $60 million on building an elevator or cost $3 million to build.
$7 million installing those plastic fins on the subway turnstiles. I'm not even sure that qualifies as construction, but $7 million.
millions to build a bathroom, which is not fun if you have little kids, all kinds of things. Anyway, we should do more about why it costs a lot to build and maybe whether there's something that can be done about it. Absolutely. Let's do it. Well, I'm very excited to say we really do have two perfect guests today. We're going to be talking about the high cost of construction, more infrastructure and stuff like that in New York City. We're going to be speaking with Elizabeth Crowley. She's the president and CEO of the Building Trades Employers Association, also known as BTEA. as well as Michael Capasso. He is the president and CEO of CAC Industries, Inc. So, Elizabeth and Michael, thank you so much for coming on Odd Lots.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, thank you, Joe and Tracy. We are grateful for the opportunity to talk today. I represent over 1,200 contractors in the BTA who are building our skyscrapers, our subways, building commercial buildings, hospitals, schools, about $65 billion worth of work annually.
And tell us about CAC Industries.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the episode’s main focus on why construction is so expensive in NYC?
0:01–6:20
2
Who are the guests and what perspectives do they bring on NYC construction costs?
6:20–12:51
3
How do insurance costs in New York compare to other states and why have they surged?
12:51–20:19
4
What role do project delays and permitting bottlenecks play in driving up costs?
20:19–27:01
5
What is New York’s “scaffold law” and how does it affect insurance premiums?
27:01–35:31
6
Why are fewer insurers willing to write policies for NYC contractors today?
35:31–42:24
7
How are AI and new technology being used to reduce construction risk and cost?
42:24–49:07
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