San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly Explains the 'Hawkish Cut'
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Why did the Fed decide on a 25‑basis‑point cut despite a slower outlook?
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the All Thoughts Podcast. I'm Tracy Alloway.
And I'm Joe Wisenthal.
Joe, how about that hawkish cut, eh?
Exciting, interesting times in macroeconomics, the Fed, the markets, plenty to talk about right now. We're recording this December twentieth.
Yeah, we're recording this December twentieth. So two days after we had what is being called a hawkish cut from the FOMC, the central bank decided to cut by twenty-five basis points. But at the same time, they unveiled, you know, their new forecast for next year. And it looks like the expectation is that inflation maybe is going to be a little bit more stubborn. And maybe we're only going to get two cuts next year. And markets promptly They uh fell out of bed. They did not like that revised forecast, to say the least.
Yeah, it it's a little surprising and we'll get into it. You know, I think to some extent a lot of it was expected, but there are real tensions right now, right? So you we have had uh stubborn sideways inflation prints in recent months, maybe not quite the soft trajectory back down to target. The fact that we might not be down to target completely in twenty twenty five, some questions about labor market stability, plenty of. We need to dive into plenty of uh crosswinds for investors, traders and so forth to digest.
Crosswinds is a nice way of putting it. I feel like anyone who was hoping for a quiet end to the year might be disappointed with everything going on. But Joe, I have to say, we really do have the perfect guest to dive into all of this. We're gonna be speaking with Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco President Mary Daly herself, a voting member on the FOMC. So Mary, thank you so much for coming on All Thoughts. I'm
delighted.
My
lucky day.
So why don't I start with the obvious question and one I think I I suspect you've been asked this multiple times over the past couple days, but why cut at all if you think that inflation is expected to show not that much progress into next year and maybe not reach two percent until twenty twenty seven?
It's a great question, and if I can take a minute, I'll explain exactly how I thought of it. So we had policy, rightly so, at a highly restrictive level. Remember the interest rate was really high, historically high, and that was to fight very high inflation and a very robust labor market was helping spur high inflation, the economy was out of balance. So now that we have inflation that is much lower, we've made tremendous progress towards getting it back to two. We're not there yet. And the labor market is balanced, now completely balanced, it's appropriate to move into a more moderate level of restrictiveness. Otherwise, what you end up doing is breaking the economy. If you leave the higher level of restrictiveness on while you're closer to your goals, the economy just starts
To falter and you end up, you know, getting inflation down, but at the expense of people's jobs. And that's not a recipe for a soft landing. Not a That's a recipe for a very hard landing. And it takes away what people have really wanted their entire time that we've been in this high inflation period, which is, you know, low and stable inflation and jobs that help them grow their careers and communities and families. So that's why we cut the rate, in my judgment. That's why I support It was a close call, whether that's 75 or 100 basis points in total, that's the right level to get from highly to moderate.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
Why did the Fed decide on a 25‑basis‑point cut despite a slower outlook?
0:01–12:36
2
What reasons does Mary Daly give for cutting rates now?
12:36–21:01
3
What are the remaining sources of inflation if the labor market is balanced?
21:01–30:03
4
How is housing inflation affecting the Fed’s outlook and what tools are available?
30:03–53:26
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