This Is How Industrial Policy Can Go Bad
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Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Odd Lot Podcast. I'm Joe Weisenthal.
And I'm Traci Alloway.
Tracy, you know, we obviously talk a lot on the show about U.S. industrial policy and these various investments we're making in things like chips, clean energy, batteries, and so forth. Did you see there was some actually good news on the chips front recently? Oh, what was that? The new fab that TSMC is building in Arizona is getting as good yields as their existing fabs in Taiwan, at least in theory. it looks like Americans are capable of building as well as anyone else in the world, at least in theory.
That is fab, Joe.
That's
fabulous fab productivity news.
Have I told you, by the way, since you joked about that, I really think fab apostrophe less, like fabulous semiconductor would be a really good name for a chip company.
Oh, yeah. I think you've pitched
this once
before. I agree with you.
That would be
good.
But, okay, so setting aside that one plant, which hasn't actually opened yet, I believe. I think that it's scheduled to open in 2025. Setting aside good signs of positive yields there, like... i remain anxious about whether any of this is going to ultimately work or whether we're going to have a lot of billions and billion dollars spent in either unproductive plants or plants producing stuff that there really is an end demand market for like if it all turned out to be a waste of tens and tens of billions of dollars let's just say i wouldn't be shocked
Well, I don't think you're alone in your concern. I think there is a wider recognition nowadays that there are areas of the economy or certain businesses that might be strategically important where not enough capital is flowing into through the private market. And so maybe the government wants to do something
to
build up those industries. It feels like in general, there is more of a recognition or perhaps acceptance of But as you say, there remain some very, very big questions about the specific design of industrial policy and the idea of, well, you know, maybe there's good and bad industrial policy. Maybe if you throw money at a particular industry through subsidies or whatever, then all you're doing is building up. overcapacity that eventually is not going to be able to compete on the global stage. And I think those are very valid critiques. And we have seen a number of examples throughout history of industrial policy that hasn't quite worked out as intended.
Totally. And, you know, I think there's a few other dimensions here that I think are important. So one is when we talk about industrial policy throughout history or development strategy for a lot of countries, it's like a lot of it has failed. Countries have tried to industrialize or rise to some level where they have competitive manufactured goods. without working out. Two is the fact that one thing that's unique is we're not a poor country and we're not a country that's like trying to rise per se in the development ladder. So a lot of theory of industrial policy is sort of talking about countries, many of them in East Asia that
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