Chapter 1: What is the significance of Dwight's mustard shirt?
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Hello, everyone. Hi. Angela, did you get my audio memo about my knees yet?
No, did you leave it on the drive-in? Yeah. I was talking to my mom. That's fine. I always talk to her on my drive-in.
I'm so excited about my knees. I have to share.
K-N-E-E, your knees.
My knees.
Okay, what's happening?
Okay, you know, my knees have been aching from my tamoxifen for like so long that it became just like this baseline existence. Okay. I didn't complain about it much. You're like, oh, I've heard you complain about a lot of things, but I've been keeping the knees to myself. Knees weren't on the list. No.
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Chapter 2: What surprising origin story is revealed about Dwight's shirt?
I just thought you were in a really good mood, but maybe it's also because you don't have like, ouch, you know, when you walk.
Yeah. So all my tamoxifen ladies, I just want to throw it out there If you're having the achy joints, which is a very common side effect, I don't know. The acupuncture, it was great. Okay. Not working on the hot flashes right now, but that's all right. We're one thing at a time.
Okay. One thing at a time.
All right. Should we get into this episode? Because we had a very hilarious start to our day so far involving you, Angela.
Yeah. Well, in honor of today's episode, you guys, I am dressed in Dwight's mustard shirt and I brought a brown tie, but I didn't know how to tie it. Josh was already gone when I was getting dressed. And so Sam tried, then Jenna tried.
First, I gave up. I immediately gave up. I couldn't remember. I panicked. My mind went completely blank. I'd never put a tie on before. And then it took two minutes for all my life to come back to me.
Yeah. Oh my goodness. I tried. Eventually Sam got it. It's not great though, Sam. No, it's not ideal. To be fair, like the back part is longer than the front part, but it's on. You know what? It's a win. And do I look like Dwight? No, I mean, you look kind of adorable.
Yes, you do.
Thank you.
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Chapter 3: How do wardrobe choices reflect Pam's emotional arc?
She titled her letter, Diaries of the Mustard Shirt.
You were so excited when you got this piece of mail. You told me, we are doing an episode about Dwight's mustard shirt. And you have not told me what Christy sent in. You got this letter, snail mail, and you have hidden it from me.
And also, Jenna, then this led you to have the idea to deep dive Pam's cardigans. Yes. So today's episode is Dwight's mustard shirt and Pam's cardigans, and we both have some fun nuggets to share. We have not told each other. I have something that I am so excited for you to hear. It is from someone you know very well, and you do not know this information about Dwight's shirt. Wow.
I know. Okay. Well, first, let's start with our chit-chat suggestions sent in by Melissa C. from Washington.
Hey ladies, so my chit chat suggestion is the opposite of pet peeves. Plenty of people have pet peeves, little things that drive them crazy. But I'm wondering if you guys have anything that I like to call dainty delights. Just little random things in life that bring you a disproportionate amount of joy.
A couple of those things for me are if I'm able to do the perfect eyeliner swoop in one stroke, I could squeal for joy. Or if I have just the right amount of an ingredient when I'm cooking something, it just brings me so much satisfaction. So I would just love to hear what your dainty delights are. Thanks, ladies.
I just love the expression, dainty delights. Same. And you know, Melissa, I thought a lot about this when we chose this chit chat for this week, because I realized something about myself that I hadn't really put together before. What is it? That... Dainty delights are what get me through life.
It's not really the big milestone moments, you know, that sometimes everyone, that's what they clamor on about. But the dainty delights, like, just get me through whatever life throws my way.
It's true. And I love this moment to name them and to think about them because I thought of so many little things. Same, same.
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Chapter 4: What is the history and evolution of the cardigan?
And I love it. And I sit out there a couple times a week in the morning with just my... cup of tea and I just sit there and I listen to the birds and I look at my feeders and I'm just so happy. I know this about you.
Yeah. It's your most favorite place to be. It is. Yeah.
And then one of the things I love to do, and I actually have one for you, lady. I made it for you. I did not bring it in today because I just want to bring it straight to your house. Okay. You know, I love to repopulate succulents. So I have my big mama succulent, I call her. She's super old. She's really big.
And whenever she's too full and starts leaning over her pot, I take a little piece and I put it in a pot. So now I have her children all around my house. And then also I'll just put it in the ground if one falls off. And so I just have succulents everywhere. So I took some clippings from one of my big pots and I put it into a pot for you. Oh, I'm so excited. But I love doing that.
I've done that for people before and I've done it for neighbors or just like a teacher. And it makes me so happy to see my succulent. It's like I feel so connected to nature in a way and like sharing nature like that. Yeah. Those are two that came to the top of my mind.
Well, I know I've shared this on the podcast before, that I love my first cup of coffee in the morning. You do. And I think I've also shared that my favorite way to have my first cup of coffee is in a handmade mug. Right. Something made by hand by a person. I just love touching a piece of art while I'm drinking that first cup of coffee. So I collect those.
And in general, I just like to drink coffee out of a mug. If I have to go somewhere in the morning... I don't love a travel mug.
Lady, I've never shared this with you. So I have a lot of tennis rituals you don't know.
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Chapter 5: How does the color yellow affect our perception?
Okay. So I take my tea and a travel mug, a big one, to tennis in the morning, but I pack in my tennis bag a ceramic coffee mug. That I then pour it into when I get to tennis because I don't like the metal. Like, I don't know. I like the mug taste. Do you know what I mean?
Well, that's what I do when we come to podcasts. I bring it in the insulated thing, but then I have my pockets mug that I pour it into when I get here. But when I do school drop off, I still want coffee and I'm just going to do the school route. Right. And then drive home. I've got like an hour loop to do all the drop-offs and all the things.
And I want coffee with me, but I don't want to drink it out of a to-go mug. So my dainty delight is that I found a ceramic... travel mug. It is basically a mug without a handle that fits in your cup holder, and it comes with like a washable lid. But you're drinking out of ceramic? Yes, while I'm driving. And I don't even put the lid on because I'm just... You're crazy like that. I am.
But it's funny because in the carpool line, there's always this one other mom that I see and she's got like a full regular mug of coffee with her. And we've talked about it. I've been like, I see you. I know this because I've done that. I've driven with a mug of coffee. Yeah. I've gone for walks in my neighborhood holding a mug of coffee in the morning.
I once sent you a picture. I was on vacation and I took a mug of tea on my walk and I sent it to you, not knowing this about you until right this moment. And Jenna, I remember what you wrote back. You were like, oh... This is my favorite thing. And I this whole time thought it was because I was on a beach. No. It's because I had a mug in my hand.
Because you were walking on the beach with a mug of your drink. You remember the one I sent you from Hawaii? Yes, I do. And I was like, oh, she loves Hawaii.
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Chapter 6: What are the favorite 'dainty delights' shared by the hosts?
Not that you don't, but it was the mug.
It was the mug. That spoke to you. Yes. So when I found this item, it was at like a little breakfast place. And I saw it and I like exclaimed. I was like, oh! Look at this. I've been looking for it because it is really hard to drive with a mug of coffee. Well, it's probably not safe. It's not a good idea.
But I immediately texted the other coffee mug mom and I was like, I'm going to make your day right now. Look at what I found. So that is my dainty to light. I really love it every morning. And I have found a way that no matter where I'm going or what I'm doing, I can have my coffee out of a ceramic mug, my travel one. It's not handmade. But it serves a purpose. Yeah.
But I bet I could find a handmade version of it. You know, it just has to fit in a cup holder, basically.
I think this might be a case for a mom detective. Or a lady who Googles. Sort of one in the same.
Yeah.
Sam, do you have a dainty delight?
I do. I think this counts. The last two or three times that I've come home from the studio recording here, the music I've been listening to, the song has faded out exactly as I'm parking my car. Like when I turn my key off, it's like the last symbol or the last guitar is just ringing out. And I turn my key off and it's as close to what I imagine doing heroin.
It must be like just this warm, gooey feeling that spreads over me for at least an hour.
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Chapter 7: How did the wardrobe contribute to character development in The Office?
Matt, what about you?
Sam, I love when the song ends right as you're pulling it. There's nothing like that. It is. Yeah.
Is this particularly like a man thing?
I think it might be a straight white guy thing. I think it might be you're imagining you're walking off stage having just performed.
You're in your own music video.
I forgot about that. I love that. I do love my mugs. I found a dainty delight in a very unexpected place, which is physical therapy that I've been going to recently. I had a minor knee injury and I was really not looking forward to going to physical therapy. And it is the best vibes in there. It's this like husband and wife shop and there's all these people in there and they were talking about...
There are hip replacements and shoulder replacements. And you get like this special treatment, like ice packs and the electric zapper thing on your knee. And it's really become the highlight of my week. I have friends in there. We chat about our injuries. We chat about music and sports. It's just, you never know where you're going to find community.
I love it. That really makes me happy. I think that's, you're going tomorrow. Or you can't wait.
You can't wait.
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Chapter 8: What insights do the hosts share about the show's production challenges?
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All right, we're back. And Angela and Sam have been, I don't know, in secret discussions about some secret clip.
I sent a secret clip this morning. Okay. Okay. Well, my share today, as you guys know, is all about Dwight's mustard shirt.
And if you remember when we had our amazing costume designer on the podcast, Carrie Bennett, she talked about how when she was putting together the costumes for the office, she went to an actual paper company called the Glendale Paper Company to observe the look and the feel of this small business.
And many of those looks inspired the look of the Dunder Mifflin employees, including the very famous Dwight Wolf t-shirt. Mm-hmm. But I wanted to start this section with a very special message from a dear friend who had an inside scoop on the origin of the very first Dwight short sleeve button down shirt.
Okay.
Here it is.
Hey, everybody. Hey, office ladies. It's me, Holiday, wife of Rainn Wilson for 300 years. You know, a little over 30 years, but it's so good to be here. And listen, I know that there's been some... talk and magic and mystery about the origin of Dwight's mustard shirt. So I just wanted to add a little story to the trivia pot on this one.
You know, as I said, Rain and I have been together a long time and whenever he'd get an audition, we would kind of make up a costume. You know, there weren't that many auditions back in those days and we were really, really broke. So we would always go and get stuff for the audition.
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