DAVID HANNIGAN: ‘I don’t think we’ll ever know the real Roy Keane’ | We need to talk about Roy
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Off the ball rugby. Checkers rock and roll and for better or worse the sport likes its entertainment now and Michael Checker does that very well. Join in the obsession. Subscribe now at offtheball.com forward slash join. Off the ball daily. Now then, we need to talk about Roy, the keenification of modern Ireland is Dave Hannigan's new book. So it explores a whole range of themes from the society in which Roy Keane grew up to how the Irish takeover at Sunderland sort of represented the worst of the Celtic tiger here in Ireland and a whole range of other topics. It's a fascinating read. Very happy to say that Dave Hannigan is with us on the line. Dave, how are you doing? Good to chat to you. Good to see you on.
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. So I think a good place to start is actually on that phrase, keenification, because when I think of the keenification of the modern world, I think about the keenification of the online world, how Roy Keane as a meme is almost his most important and most significant imprint on our world today. And I don't mean meme in an insulting phrase, because I know some people can take it as a pejorative instantaneously, but That was my prejudice before reading this book, that that's what the keenification of modern Ireland and the modern world really is. Yeah, it goes back.
What is the 'Keane-ification' of modern Ireland?
I mean, my use of that term would be like, you know, I want people to think that, see, there wasn't like some boring history book, you know, that it was much more tongue-in-cheek appraisal of Roy Keane and his influence on Ireland, which is undeniable, like the influence he had on Ireland in many different ways and Irish sport, not just football, but rugby too. And then his transformation into the character that you've just described, like the grey-bearded influencer character the snarky kind of football Jeremy Clarkson dishing out the barbs on the overlap and becoming a viral sensation on just about a weekly basis. Yeah, it's a remarkable thing how he is that viral sensation on a weekly basis.
Is your conclusion that his ability to be one of the most important football influencers is a complete accident or is there a method to what we actually see in terms of the caricature of Keane? I think there's two things at play here. He has credibility because of the footballer that he was, because he has become such a content-creating machine now that people sometimes forget, especially younger people, forget what he was as a player, how influential he was, how important he was on that great Manchester United team, arguably the best and most vital player on that team for about a decade. So that's the first half. He brings credibility, but also he brings wit, and sarcasm and a sharpness of tongue that others in the English game don't seem to have.
And again, I don't want to be wrapping the green flag around me here, but I think it's an Irish trait. We have that natural kind of quick-wittedness, the ability to come up with a fast put-down, competitive quipping, as I call it, that a lot of Irish people pick up in pubs and in workplaces. So Keane has the credibility of a legendary player and this incredibly sharp, fast tongue that I think sets him out from all of his peers, even in the pundit game. Yeah, look, in many ways he is a continuation of Giles and Dunphy in that way, where a more caustic and honest appraisal of Premier League football in particular is coming from somebody who is naturally an outsider. Absolutely. And I think, you know, we always took great pride in Giles and Dunphy because it was different.
It was like the honours paper. It was a higher level of football analysis than the trite clichés that we would get in the English game. I don't think Keane is on that level in terms of the in-depth analysis, but certainly he's refreshing in terms of he's willing to pinprick the pomposity of the English game. And, you know, he's willing to call people out in a way, especially English internationals, who are always kind of sacrosanct and untouchable for some pundits.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–1:28
2
What is the 'Keane-ification' of modern Ireland?
1:28–5:34
3
How did Roy Keane influence Irish society and sport?
5:34–14:02
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What is the significance of Roy Keane's character in football today?
14:02–28:52
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What role did Roy Keane's upbringing in Cork play in his career?
28:52–29:29
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How did the 1980s economic climate affect Roy Keane's development?
29:29–31:59
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