The original looksmaxxer who created our hell world
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Who is Ziz and why is he considered the original looksmaxxer?
Before Clavicular, there was the top ranked Chad of all time, a guy who created the entire nightmarish masculine bodybuilder, strongman hell world that we're currently trapped inside. And that man's name is, of course, Ziz. And today we're going to be talking about the legacy of Ziz and how he made every boy on the internet in the 2000s have severe body dysmorphia and probably, you know, change the political course. of American history. Okay. So uh who is your favorite so to start things off, who's your favorite internet chad right now?
Uh, right now the Androgenic guy, however you pronounce his his name, it's really fascinating because despite being like very interwoven with people like Clavicular, he like gets a little woke on his Instagram sometimes, but then immediately like backs down in weird ways and it's just really fascinating to try and predict what he's gonna do next.
I too have noticed Androgynik's wokeness. Um uh yeah, it seems like he's kind of experimenting with like how positive he can be about trans people, which is sort of interesting. I I also get the sense that he's He's the most sort of willing to go wherever the attention is. Like I I don't get the sense that he's like a hardcore radical as much like if if he discovered that trans people really liked him, I think he would flip and just become like baby no money or like you know, he would just sort of go full into whatever the audience wants him to be.
One one hundred percent. Like I I I saw a video of his the other day where he basically said something along the lines of like, Oh, for a while I thought that the only thing that women worried about were how to get their their next man or or how to like, you know, look pretty but actually that they worry about getting assaulted all of all of the time. I was like, wow, oh, okay. Which is weird because like correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he's really hung out with people like Sneeko or Andrew Tate like Clavic.
Clavicular has. So okay, my understanding of the clavicular lore and the and no, okay. My understanding of the androgenic lore is that clavicular was frame mogd in Scottsdale. You remember? Yeah. And after clavicular was frame moged by the ASU frat leader in Scottsdale, Androgenic flew from Australia to Scottsdale trying to find Clavicular to also frame mog him, or at least frame mog the ASU frat leader. And then I think they finally linked up. in Miami and Androgenic and him sort of hung out a few times and Androgenic was there when Clavicular overdosed to Miami and was offering him an Adderall as he was having some kind of seizure. I r I remember that. Just a guy trying to help. I I'm gonna say for our listeners, like if if you're really put off by everything you've heard so far, like it's not really gonna get better today.
Um but we are sort of going back in time and we're gonna be talking about Chad of a different era. But first, this is Panic World, a show about how the internet warps our minds, our culture, and eventually reality. With me as always is my top ranked Chad. Grant. And our guest today, another top ranked Chad, someone who has mastered the art of looks maxing from the YouTube channel Crimes New Roman, Noah K. Welcome to the show. Hello, hello. Thank you for having me on. Super excited to be here and mog both of you. I I hate to ask this because it's not a very sort of you know HR-friendly question, but roughly how old are you? I am 33 years old. I just turned 33. Okay, we're in the kind of same age cohort. I'm 25, but like yeah, we're basically sort of the same age.
What's your earliest memory of not looks maxing? I think that's what it's called now, but what's your earliest memory? memory of what I get I guess I would call like an internet chad. Like a like a big muscle man on the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um
let's see. This is like a a a little bit of a weird a answer, but like one of the earliest like weird, tough, masculine figures that I can kind of r remember is FPS Russia. I I don't know I don't know if you guys know him.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Who is Ziz and why is he considered the original looksmaxxer?
0:00–8:54
2
What early internet figures like the Bloat Lord helped shape the looksmaxxing scene?
8:54–15:42
3
How did Ziz turn his gaming earnings into a bodybuilding empire and monetize it?
15:42–23:19
4
What controversial attitudes did Ziz display toward women and how did they affect his legacy?
23:19–33:14
5
How did Ziz’s untimely death influence the rise of today’s top‑ranked ‘Chads’?
33:14–40:42
6
How did platforms like TikTok revive interest in Ziz during the pandemic?
40:42–49:02
7
In what ways have modern looksmaxxing figures such as Clavicular and Androgenic built on Ziz’s blueprint?
49:02–58:17
8
What steps can parents take to help teenage boys navigate the toxic looksmaxxing culture?
58:17–1:09:19