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UAE Quits OPEC + Trump & King Charles | PBD #787

29 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

1.583 - 11.419 Unknown

Adam, what's your point?

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11.88 - 18.37 Patrick Bet-David

The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

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18.391 - 43.63 Jeff Snider

You are a one of one? My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before. We don't want to be a grandpa this early. Anyways, good morning. We have some special people here with us. We have Brandon Aceto. We have Jeff Snyder. And then we have, allegedly, he's called a grumpy economist. And that was the title of a sub stack that was given to him by his kids. So who knows him better?

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43.65 - 46.896 Jeff Snider

But we have the great John Cochran here with us. Thank you for making the time for being here.

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46.876 - 47.878 Brandon Aceto

Thanks. Pleasure.

48.338 - 60.136 Jeff Snider

Also has four kids. You know, it's special about having four kids. Jeff, how many kids you got? Three. Three? Okay, good. Three is good because we got to be above 2.1. Yeah. But we got to be, right? As long as we're above 2.1, we're good. But we got a lot of stuff to talk about.

60.196 - 80.304 Jeff Snider

I mean, yesterday there were shots being taken about the French language that we were supposed to speak French or, you know, because of... America, Trump made some comments about King Charles, then there were some moments where Trump brought the revolutionary. I mean, you have to see some of the things that... There was so much lobbying and gamification and, you know, posturing going on.

80.324 - 100.811 Jeff Snider

It was great for TV. And then we saw a very, very special, monumental, emotional moment when we saw the House, Congress, Democrats getting up for a king. And it was such a great moment that... that no King's protest went out very quickly, where they stood up for a King that quickly. They were so enamored by King. Special moment.

100.831 - 118.935 Jeff Snider

Then on top of that, you have this place, John, I don't know if you follow it or not, this place called UAE. They're kind of a big deal, okay? And they sell a lot of oil. They would like to sell more. Right now they sell about 3.5 to 5 million barrels a day. They don't want the limitations. They want to dictate their own prices. They decided to leave OPEC

Chapter 2: What are the implications of UAE leaving OPEC?

271.272 - 285.634 Jeff Snider

Done. So done in five years. That's a massive... you know, statement to say, but I'm curious how you're going to defend your position. And so Sam Altman's been having a rough week, although, you know, there was a lawsuit that didn't go through with his sister, which kind of maybe that's good news for him a little bit.

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286.696 - 305.067 Jeff Snider

Then you have FCC, Brandon Carr, to call in Disney stations for early license review in wake of Kemmel saga. Good idea, bad idea? Are you almost empowering the next administration to come in? What are those guys going to be doing? I don't know if this is a good idea. Short-term, long-term, maybe it's a short-term thing because of what Campbell said.

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305.087 - 326.177 Jeff Snider

Even Melania jumped in there and said a few words. I thought it was a dumb move by Jimmy, but it is what it is. Today I was watching the 2011 White House Correspondents' dinner with, what was it, Seth Meyers, and I was watching Obama's speech. And it was fun. It was fun watching the president sitting there, and he keeps taking shots, taking shots, taking shots.

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326.157 - 342.597 Jeff Snider

You know, but you know, who ends up winning there? Trump ends up winning because the story was a very good moment. It was funny. But to go and talk about, you know, expected widow, it's a little bit crossing the line, but we'll process it with you guys. Iran made their demands. They made three asks.

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Chapter 3: How does Trump's stance affect NATO discussions?

342.577 - 348.767 Jeff Snider

They want the Strait of Hormuz to open back up. They want the blockade to be permanent, the ceasefire to be done.

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348.807 - 350.851 Brandon Aceto

I thought Iran controlled the Strait of Hormuz.

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350.871 - 369.55 Jeff Snider

Well, that's what they're saying. What is it? We want them to open it and we control it at the same time? Jeff, you're pissing off some people, man. I mean, don't talk like that. You're going to upset some of the people. on what they're saying, but Trump is saying we're not having it. They're like, yeah, why don't we lift the seas, lift the blockade, and then let's talk nuclear.

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369.57 - 388.489 Jeff Snider

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's do this, Jeff. Let's get together and sit down. Send him some money, too. Send him some money to the $30 billion that's sitting in that account. Tariffs, I do want to go through tariffs because I know Johnny got a lot of thoughts on that. Will U.S. tariff changes could raise deficit by $1.1 trillion, CBO chief says. I wonder what you think about that.

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389.09 - 411.006 Jeff Snider

And then we got a couple other things if we get into it. UAE officials warned they may be forced to use yuan or other currencies if they run low on dollars amid the Iran war. And then we got a couple other stories. Elon Musk said something very interesting. He says, you don't need to save for retirement. He says, don't worry about saving for retirement. You have no need for it.

411.026 - 425.635 Jeff Snider

We got robots and all these other guys that are going to create so much economy that you'll be getting paid for the rest of your life without needing to work. So do you trust it? Musk says America 1,000%. will go bankrupt due to debt. So I'm sure there's some thoughts there.

425.655 - 440.708 Jeff Snider

Pawn shops are seeing something the stock market isn't, and as economists concerned, anytime the business of pawn shops is blowing up, you're in trouble, just so you know that. So anytime they're doing well, we got some problems, and then we got a few other stories. Hopefully we'll get into that. Having said that,

440.688 - 459.878 Jeff Snider

For those of you guys that are small business owners or your executives, you got big plans for 2026. We host an event once a year. It's a Super Bowl of our events. And it went from a small event that we had to now, you know, expecting 12,000 people this year. It's a phenomenal event to go to. Here's why. Rob, go ahead and play the clip.

460.347 - 481.813 Jeff Snider

23 years old, I've gone to 4 to 10 business conferences every year. It doesn't matter if it's a family conference, generational wealth conference, investment conference, where to invest your money, or raising your family, or even a revival church conference. I wanted to put a business conference together where we can talk money, business, family, faith, politics, and nobody walks on eggshells.

Chapter 4: What are the potential outcomes of the Iran negotiations?

856.955 - 870.49 Brandon Aceto

And by the way, we also probably need a dollar swap line too. And the Trump administration said, yeah, okay. We understand you're under pressure. We're here to help you. But what are you going to give us? Give us something too. The UAE said, I'll give you an easy one. We'll get out of OPEC. We want to leave anyway.

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871.05 - 880.099 Brandon Aceto

So it makes it – UAE is moving away from the Gulf regime or the status quo in the Gulf and move toward the – They were number three, number four, right?

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880.139 - 898.375 Jeff Snider

Number one is Saudi. Number two is Iraq. Number two – it used to be Iran number three and then UAE. But I think UAE passed up Iran by like 100,000 barrels a day, whatever the number is. And even on the OPEC list, I think Venezuela falls as number seven. So it's funny how U.S. has got the control with Venezuela that's on that list.

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898.355 - 905.023 Jeff Snider

And now that you get UAE out, there's a lot of leverage here for them. Do you agree with Jeff's assessment on this?

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905.594 - 927.979 Brandon Aceto

Yeah, well, we're deep into Middle East politics, which, you know, bring your rug negotiating skills. I kind of want the UAE and Saudi Arabia to get along. I'd like UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel to get along and, you know, be unified about Iran. So there's a lot of, you know, what are they going to do about Yemen and stuff going on there? So, yeah, what a mess.

928.039 - 942.297 Brandon Aceto

But competition in oil markets is always good. Brandon. Yeah, I think the bigger thing, the more concerning thing, is that they're dangling out the idea of accepting oil payments and something aside from the dollar. They're talking about, oh, if we don't have enough dollars, we're going to have to take payments in yuan.

942.337 - 959.479 Brandon Aceto

And it was a couple of years ago, too, that even Saudi Arabia started floating around the idea of taking payments in yuan. I mean, I don't know how serious or feasible that is, but if that starts happening, then everything falls apart. I mean, I think overall the decoupling of OPEC is a good thing because it's not something that's good for the market. It's just like a controlled thing.

959.459 - 975.005 Brandon Aceto

agreement between the biggest oil producing countries to have a collective agreed upon price of oil. So I think, yeah, the detangling of that is a good thing. But the notion of these countries taking payments and currencies other than the dollar, that's something that we have to fight against vehemently.

975.265 - 996.03 Jeff Snider

Did you see the oil tanker arriving in Japan? Did you guys see that? Did you see this or no? Oil tanker with 910,000 barrels of Texas light oil at a refinery near Tokyo through the Panama Canal, avoiding the Strait of Hormuz. Watch this here. They're announcing it. Rob, go a little bit lower so I can hear the audio. If you can raise it.

Chapter 5: How do economic conditions lead to regime collapse?

3670.256 - 3684.211 Brandon Aceto

And there I think, you know, you look at how many people did Mao starve? How many people did Stalin starve? How many people did North Koreans starve? They are immune to economic pain unless somebody else, maybe the regular army. It's the uprising. There has to be an uprising.

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Chapter 6: What role do uprisings play in political change?

3684.231 - 3694.263 Brandon Aceto

They're not making a deal with the IRGC. That's what I'm saying. That was never the option. The option here is, I've been saying from the beginning, is regime collapse. I agree entirely. But that's not what we're hearing out of Washington right now.

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Chapter 7: How does the U.S. economy compare to global economic challenges?

3694.283 - 3709.622 Brandon Aceto

They're not going to say that, though. I mean, nobody in the Trump administration is going to say that we can't negotiate with these people because they're fanatics. What they're going to say is, like they said before, they're going to bring the public along slowly. First, they say we're going to have this wrapped up in six weeks. Oh, then we're going to do a ceasefire and then we'll wrap it up.

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3709.943 - 3730.32 Brandon Aceto

They're going to string along the idea of a deal, but I don't think that's their realistic goal. There's no midterm elections in Iran. The thing that makes it tough, though, is that the IRGC has guns and the people of the country don't have guns. So regime collapse, you have to have one side having guns as well. Historically, what makes a population rise up and get guns? A rebel group. Starvation.

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3730.925 - 3754.436 Brandon Aceto

But wouldn't you say a rebel group typically exists with the help of an intelligence agency in a situation like this? I think in Iran the hope is that the regular army, they have guns. The other way regimes collapse is the people with the guns realize this is completely rotten, I can't do this anymore. That's how the Soviet Union collapsed. The soldiers refused to fire.

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3754.456 - 3758.801 Brandon Aceto

Right, and which percentage of the army is religious zealots and which ones aren't?

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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the California billionaire tax?

3758.841 - 3772.962 Brandon Aceto

That's a part of the question too. In terms of U.S. economy having trouble, I think we're due for a good recession, let some inflation die down a little bit. So I think that's fine aside from the midterms. Except we're going to get stagflation. Welcome to your 1979. I was there. It was not fun.

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3773.583 - 3774.044 Jimmy Kimmel

I know.

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3774.324 - 3783.558 Brandon Aceto

Look, the midterm election, I think they realize they've lost the midterms. So the midterms isn't even a calculation here. Look, this is the long-term goals here. Again, short-term pain, long-term pain.

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3784.039 - 3805.862 Jeff Snider

I don't know about that. I don't know about that. When I speak, you're not dealing with a – a guy that throws in the towel that quickly. You're not dealing with him. You're dealing with a guy that thinks he can turn anything around. He is wired in a very different way than the average person tries to understand him, in my opinion.

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3805.962 - 3831.559 Jeff Snider

Now, having said that, you know how quickly we were talking about everything was Epstein. Story went away. Everything is Iran. Everything is World Cup. We move so quickly. The average person moves on so quickly that it's like, you know when somebody attacks you and you're maybe a newer influencer? Oh, my God, they wrote a hit piece on you. They lose sleep every night.

3831.959 - 3850.74 Jeff Snider

Well, you know what the guy that's been around the block for a while says? Bro, this story's going to be done in 48 hours. People have lives to live. They're going to move on. But if it goes, my opinion, John, and please push back. I want you guys to disagree with me if you don't. My opinion, if they're able to figure it out before World Cup, we're scored away.

3850.94 - 3870.948 Jeff Snider

Because World Cup is the biggest positive distraction they will have. Something massive is going to happen in the World Cup, and then we move on. Then you have 4th of July, 250-year anniversary. Then you've got the UFC fight at the White House. You have so many positive distractions that markets are going to be like... And by the way, you know how this guy works.

3871.389 - 3891.848 Jeff Snider

He's going to tweet something and say... You know, we have come to an agreement. We are very close for Cuba to be the 51st state or Cuba to be, you know. And I was, oh, my God, we have come to Greenland. And the next topic is that. So as much as I want to say I'm with you 70% on midterms, I don't think he's wired like that, and I don't think his team is wired like that.

3891.828 - 3908.622 Brandon Aceto

And it's not just Trump because, of course, he's not doing the voting. I think what you said about Iran is true of the U.S. You need somewhere to run to, not just somewhere to run from. And the average voter says, I'm tired of Trump or the war or whatever. And then he looks at his average Democrat and says, oh, wait a minute. Do I really want that team in power? Yeah. We'll see what happens.

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