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Who Is Nick Shirley? | PBD Podcast | Ep. 710

31 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a 101? My son's right there.

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20.669 - 22.613 Nick Shirley

I don't think I've ever said this before.

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So imagine it's Christmas, we're all minding our own business and then everybody starts texting you, watch this video, watch this video, watch this video. I'm like, I'll get to it later, I'll get to it later. And eventually I watch the video and I start texting everybody, watch this video, watch this video, watch this video. Next thing you know, it becomes a top 10 most viewed video.

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Some are saying top five, some are saying top 10. Nearly 150 million views after being uploaded a day after Christmas. And he created so much havoc that he made journalists start working. Come on, why would you do such a thing? CNN had to work. They came after him yesterday. Everybody's trying to find that. They call him mega YouTuber. They call him Islamophobe.

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They call him all this other stuff. Listen, why don't you just fly down here. Let's sit down and do a podcast and talk about what you just did. And we have the one and only Nick Shirley in the house. Thank you for having me. It's great to have you on. 23 years old and you're doing this. Yeah, it's been the craziest week of my life this past week or so.

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So I want to learn about you, but first tell us, why has it been the craziest week of your life this week? Yeah, so I've been doing YouTube and doing what I've been doing for years now, for at least two years consistently at this point. But this week...

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I've hit a new level as far as what I produced and put out on the Internet is the most viewed video by any other creator that's not named Mr. Beast for a long-form video. Like, seriously. Seriously, I've never seen a video at 131 million views on X. How many followers? When I watched it when you first posted, you had a couple hundred thousand followers on X. What are you at now?

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Now I'm about to hit a million. You're about to hit a million. Just in the last four days. Why do you think the world and why do you think America is reacting the way that it has? I think what I covered in Minnesota was the fraud that took place. And the way I produced it is a way where really I didn't make it a left-right issue.

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I just presented the information as it was and just went to the location to where the fraud was happening. And I went and talked to the people, well, I at least tried to, for those that were running the daycares. And you're seeing that...

Chapter 2: Why has it been the craziest week for Nick Shirley?

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Is this the one? Yes. So this is you. You show up. You're in Minnesota yesterday. Yes. At the Quality Learing Center. We got to say it correctly. By the way, his sweater he's got on. If you guys want to... Purchase the sweater. We're going to put the link below as well to the Quality Learing Center. It's becoming a hot commodity.

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Rob, let's make sure you put the link below as well to support what he's doing here. But here's CNN. It doesn't look like they're happy for you doing their work. When they first came up to you, were they friendly? Were they nice to you? What was the approach that they took? Yeah, the lady came up to me very friendly, and then she kept asking me these questions.

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I'm like, ma'am, you're defending fraud. What are you talking about? The issue wasn't what time I showed up to the daycare. The issue is that this building right here is receiving $1.9 million, and it's not even operating. And they're showing face right now while they're literally shuffling in kids while the commissioner of children is saying the daycare was closed last week. That's pretty wild.

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Okay, so play this clip, Rob. Go ahead.

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this is mega youtuber back at a daycare in minnesota he alleged was a fraudulent facility in a now viral video if you are going to say this is a left or right issue but no fraud is fraud over here i'm not out here trying to put a twist on things shirley's viral video released over the weekend in which he says he's uncovering tens of millions of dollars in fraud at minneapolis daycares run by the somali community was retweeted by elon musk and vice president jd vance in the video shirley tries to open locked doors

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and talk to people at various daycares he claims are frauds. Did you come during their normal operating hours when you came to visit? I came at 11 a.m., I believe, and I also came the following day later in the day. The point of it is not whether or not I came at the right time of their operation hours. The point is that blocked out doors, they can't give you any information.

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You call that number, no one answers. I wasn't trying to go inside. There should be a way for somebody to actually be able to call that number and somebody to be able to answer. These aren't real businesses. But surely you don't think a daycare should just be unlocked. You shouldn't be able to just walk into a daycare. There shouldn't be a reception. No. Every daycare is locked.

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And so, okay, you bring up a fair point, but why can't they actually give me information how to enroll a child? Federal law enforcement has been investigating fraud in Minnesota for several years. Both Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel said on social media they've indicted dozens of defendants.

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DHS has posted multiple videos of agents they say are conducting a massive fraud investigation.

Chapter 3: What evidence supports the daycare fraud claims?

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Do you think that federal law enforcement hasn't done enough? I mean, they would say, look, these fraud cases have been going on. But they've already done like 80 indictments. The cases have been going on. So funny. They're defending Trump now. I show up one day in Minnesota and go to all these daycares, no children. They're receiving millions of dollars.

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We encourage nearly $110 million in fraud in one day. How do you know that all the allegations that you're making are true? How do I know that they're true? Well, we showed you guys what was happening, and then you guys can go ahead and make your own analysis. So we can make our own analysis. Are you 100% sure you're true? Yeah, I am 100% sure I'm true. CNN is looking into Shirley's claims.

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hi my name is whitney wilde i'm a correspondent for cnn we reached out to several of the daycares featured in the now viral video only one daycare facility answered and said they are validating your points have you seen that the videos you know purporting that some of these daycares don't have kids inside minnesota republicans say despite the new focus from the trump administration they have been sounding the alarm on fraud for years

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You know, we have talked about fraud. We have gotten stories. We have we've tried to push this forward every way that we can. So this is yesterday in Minnesota. Yeah, yesterday in Minnesota. Wow. And you went back to Minnesota because you just told me that you're working on a part two yourself. Yeah, because there's a lot more fraud. How much more did you find?

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Oh, we found a lot more businesses that don't exist. There's millions of dollars. We found daycares with more million-dollar daycares. I mean, there's literally hundreds of daycares receiving millions of dollars in Minnesota at this moment as we speak. So from the first one, you guys were over $100 million of fraud that you found, right?

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With the second one, now the recent one that you were there yesterday, how much more did you guys find yesterday? I have to do all the numbers, which I'll do when I do all my editing, but at least another $10 million. Another $10 million. Okay, so on the other side, while you're doing this, what caused you, and we see this man named David, right? We keep seeing this man named David.

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who I think yesterday, he said, if you want to output $100,000 for anybody that can prove any of this wrong, because this is government document. How did you and David, if Rob, is this the clip where he says that? Do you want to play this clip of David? Anybody want to take me up? $100,000. $100,000.

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If you can just prove my information. $100,000. $100,000. $100,000. $100,000.

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How are you going page by page? Come on, girl. Just keep your video on it. And just screenshot it while you're going. Let me know when you got it. All those people out there defending the fraud, and then he gives them the option. They're defending the fraud. Yes. They're not on your side. No. How many of those people are on your side right there?

Chapter 4: How is social media influencing Nick Shirley's journalism?

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From them. That's not even yours. That's that Kadra Abshir that's recording you. Yes. Got it. So they're recording you, and he's offering $100,000. To go prove if any of these things are wrong. Yes. So how did you and David get linked up? David messaged me on Instagram, and out of the hundreds of DMs I get, I just opened David's, and he had all the proof.

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Because I've known about the fraud happening for so long in Minnesota since back in June. I've known about the fraud, but it's hard for me to go out and get all the information because they make it very hard to get the information. Luckily, David had somebody inside the Capitol who has been leaking him all the numbers, leaking him all the information. Somebody from the Capitol? Yes. In Minnesota?

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Yes. Yes. So all the numbers that David has are 100% correct. And also they're on the state. Also they're from the government, from the state. But David told me he knew the numbers. And I said, okay, I'm coming to Minnesota. Let's do this video. Line out some of the daycares you'd like to go see. Because I know about the fraud. I knew that the fraud was happening.

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I just needed somebody like David to come that's lived it. to be able to really solidify my claims and my ideas about the fraud that's happening. And you saw the video. Everything we said was true. And this is David explaining the fraud, right, Rob? This is in front of Minnesota. Go for it.

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719.825 - 725.676 Nick Shirley

Massive fraud is going on here in the state of Minnesota, especially in Minneapolis. Explain to me what's going on with the daycares.

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So one of the things that I've noticed is there's an exceptional number of childcare centers that are set up mostly in Minneapolis, but also in St. Paul. And I said, wow, this, I mean, how many kids are there in the Twin Cities? Some of them are by my office and I would watch and I said, well, there aren't any kids there.

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And I'd go to another one, there aren't any kids there, and I'd see just some guys, some Somali guys outside smoking cigarettes. So I stopped at one of them, and I said, hey, I'm just wondering, I've got a grandson who's looking for child care, and I wonder if this might be a good facility. And they said, no, we're all full, we're all full.

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And they had the door open, and I looked, and there were no kids. There was like a couch and a table with a couple chairs, and I said, well, are the kids out back playing, or what kind of place is this?

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And the guy said, you go, you go, and he almost pushed me out the door, and then he followed me down the street to my car, and that's when I said, wait a minute, there's something going on here, and that's got to be maybe five years ago. This fraud is so massive. When the dust settles on this, it's going to be found to be the largest fraud in the history of the country and probably the world.

Chapter 5: How did Nick Shirley's investigation lead to a crackdown on daycare fraud?

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I love that. So when have you ever seen a piece from a journalist, from a YouTuber, that's created such a change where literally within hours they launch a full-fledged investigation to go and crack down on the fraud? Is this one of them? Yes. Okay, Rob, can you play this? What do they find here? What's this one? They're just going door to door, just asking people about fraud.

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Because I guarantee inside of this business, there's probably a transportation company that's also labeled there. There could be a home health care business there. There could be an adult daycare. And it's a grocery store. So that's how these companies are operating. I went to so many places where they don't even have the real business. Wow. So this could be three or four businesses. Oh, yeah.

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What else did you find, Rob? Have they made any major arrests? Have you seen people walking out getting arrested? I haven't seen any of that yet. I haven't seen any of that yet that's taking place. I haven't seen the full-on, like the way 1980s when Rudy Giuliani went out there and a bunch of mobsters were getting arrested, 240-something of them getting arrested, coming out with handcuffs.

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We haven't seen that yet. I think that's what the American people want to see. They want to see some accountability taking place. By the way, you know that other video that we played where the guy said, Rob, can you go to the video of the guy claiming that Nick Shirley came at a time that nobody was here and that's not fair because the time is this and I'm here. There's kids here every day.

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I've been here for eight years. There's always kids here. There's kids here. There's a video right there. That guy right there. So watch this. Watch this video. Go ahead. What would you say to Nick Shirley, the YouTuber, if he was standing in front of you right now? I have nothing against him himself, but I do have something against the rhetoric.

Chapter 6: What evidence was found regarding the daycare's operations?

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If you're going to be a journalist, just have a moral compass. Do what you do correctly. If you catch businesses that are fraud, no one here is with that. We don't support that as a community. I don't support that myself. I was born and raised here. I'm not for fraud. The notion that, hey, a certain batch of somebody got caught, so all of them support it, it's like, no.

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No one, in any community, any mishaps that happen, the rest of the community obviously doesn't want that to happen. It's a stain on all of our names, as you guys can see. We don't want that to happen. We don't take part in that. We don't like that. We don't want that in our communities. But just to say, hey, our company got caught, so they must all do it. And I feel like that's what he's doing.

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89%, buddy. I'm not a peddler. 2 to 10 p.m. may not be your typical daycare hours. So can you explain why it is that you operate during these hours? The reason for that is we're after school hours. So most of our clients, not most of our clients, all of our clients is after school hours. So school's earliest dismissal would be 2.15 to 2.30ish. And the latest dismissal would be up to like 4.30ish.

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You said you were there 11 and 5. That's what you said. I went at 11 in the morning and then I went back the next day at a later time.

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Chapter 7: Have there been any arrests related to the daycare fraud scandal?

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And what's interesting is when he's out talking and doing this simultaneously at the exact same time the Commissioner of Children is saying that that daycare was closed a week ago. I filmed my video, the first one, on December 16th when it was still operating. Your first video was shot December 16th. December 16th. That one was released December 26th. Yes. Okay.

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So it wasn't filmed over winter break. It was filmed... 10 days before Christmas, nine days before. Yes, and so it was still operating as a business according to the Commissioner of Children. Got it. And by the way, isn't this the same location that in the first 42-minute show that you did, a neighbor is like, I've never seen kids here. Yes, a man who's been living there for eight years.

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Can you find that clip? It's very important because, and you can tell that guy is just being straight up. He's like, no, I've never seen anybody here before. I'll find a time for you, Rob, if you want to look for it. It's time stamped on my YouTube.

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4049.643 - 4077.432 Unknown

uh just go to on your youtube yeah go to the youtube channel so it's about at the what do you guys that's taking place here in minnesota go to 1630 okay and um but basically this guy's been living there for eight years he's never seen a single child press skip wrap to the right okay if you go about one more minute up Up fast forward or behind? Forward. Keep going, keep going.

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This is a lady that thinks you're ice. Yes. And by the way, they also spelled Learing wrong and they also spelled Nicolette wrong.

Chapter 8: What are the implications of the daycare fraud on the community?

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These guys bring calm. And by the way, right there. Pause it for a second. Pause it for a second. And by the way, they responded to why the layering center. They said the printing company made that mistake. And then Rob asked the question, if they made a mistake, why did you put up in the first place? And then they said they went back and they were going to change it. For eight years.

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For eight years. They made the mistake and it was going to get changed. But what happened, Rob?

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4103.674 - 4107.882 Patrick Bet-David

It was too cold outside for them to come and swap the sides out.

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For eight years. Yeah. Okay. So, but watch this. So that same place where the man says for eight years, kids are here all the time. This is what a neighbor said of what he's seen at this place. Go ahead, Rob. Have you ever seen children at that daycare center right there? Where? Yeah, it's right there. It says the child, you've never seen daycare. I haven't seen anybody in there.

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We're going to educate you on something. So what do you think about this daycare center? They spelled learning wrong. They've received over $1.9 million this year alone, and they're supposed to have 99 children here. I don't see it. Have you ever seen any children here? None, not at all. None. This year they got $1.9 million. Last year they got $1.5 million of your tax money for 99 children.

4147.568 - 4156.683 Patrick Bet-David

We just want to know where are the kids. Right. Where are the children? I don't see them. I've been here since 2017. I haven't seen anybody like that here. You've never seen a child here? No, not at all.

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And so you've never seen a child here for eight years?

4158.706 - 4159.688 Patrick Bet-David

Nope, not at all.

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And how does that make you feel, knowing that this place is receiving $1.9 million?

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