Geese Truthers ft. Benjamin Hightower
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How does Benjamin introduce his faith and prayer practice on the podcast?
hi everybody hey oh my god i'm nervous wait we have something i can't do a whole thing up front without him benjamin's here i thought i was gonna talk for like a few minutes no no no well basically we want you right away we were already talking you know like we just need to like bring you right start with a prayer no i love you though wait actually if you did pray what would you say
Dear Christian God.
Wait. Capital G, capital G. Maybe we should start with a prayer. Yeah, let's start with a prayer.
That was a joke, but okay. I would say I would not specify the religion because I want everybody to feel welcome.
Leave it open for everyone, yeah.
Also, so I posted about my faith online the other day and I said a sentence that was like, I believe that Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists all pray to the same God in some form, which is a concept I love and it's from Chronicles of Narnia a little bit and a lot of
We are all playing to Aslan.
Yeah. Basic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like the, I think the.
That was the first play I was ever in.
Oh.
Which one?
Chronicles of Narnia.
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe? Yeah. That's cool.
No, they went, they skipped straight to the third. They said Prince Caspian.
Well, they start like chronologically, they start with Silver Chair, which is why Greta Gerwig's adaptation starts with Silver Chair.
Oh, I didn't know this yet.
So, like, in the world chronology, it's Silverchair.
Greta Gerwig is just, like, doing stuff. Is any of the cast leaked yet about that? I think.
It's James Corden as the White Witch. I'm actually going to be in it.
Oh, my God.
You're fucking kidding me. Did you see, like, that petition to keep James Corden out of Wicked?
No.
Before the movie came out, people were like, please don't put him in the movie.
Just don't put him in, like, for the love of God, keep him out.
Yeah.
Get them out! Wait, okay, back to the prayer.
Yeah.
Or what you were saying about... Yeah, yeah.
So a lot of like atheists and agnostics were like, we don't pray to any God. That's like kind of offensive, which I hear. But I think metaphorically, if your energy... I think everybody's energy should be up.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter to what? The universe? Like something unknown? Because agnostics, atheists don't know anything. I don't know anything as a Christian. Yeah. I like a spirit that's vectored towards mystery.
A spirit that's vectored towards mystery. Benjamin said, I'm coming on the poetry podcast.
This is so... We're hearing you on this and we agree.
We are hearing you on this and we agree. The energy should be up.
The energy should be up and vectored towards mystery. And I think... Like, if I were to pray, I would just express gratitude. Because I don't even think I believe in petitionary prayer, which is like, if I was on a soccer team on one side, and I was like, dear Jesus, help us win this soccer team, which I did my entire adolescence.
Dear Jesus.
What if there's a kid on the other side praying to win the soccer game?
Right, like, what is Jesus to do?
Does he count how many? Like, wait, what is Jesus to do is so good.
What is Jesus to do? Yeah, not what would Jesus do.
What is Jesus to do? What is Jesus to do? He's like, there's a kid on the shooting stars praying against a kid on the winning whales. You did not play sports growing up.
Those are awful team names.
The shooting stars is actually my soccer team. I was lucky ducks.
The shooting stars. I didn't realize when I would pray as a kid I would get confused about what to pray about like I would pray for I was like I started like making up things like I was like and I guess like a bike and I guess like a dog like Santa Claus I was like first like for my mom and then for a bike I guess I don't know I found it very confusing well I always prayed that all the bad people turn into good people I prayed for that every night that's world peace yeah yeah
Yeah, I think like I only, I don't know where, like if I need something, I do believe in petitionary prayer. Like if I really want something, I'm probably going to pray about it.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
How does Benjamin introduce his faith and prayer practice on the podcast?
0:00–14:33
2
What personal stories about religion and upbringing do the hosts share?
14:33–20:54
3
Who is Benjamin Hightower and how did the hosts first meet him?
20:54–32:13
4
Why does Benjamin describe the emotional labor of creating and posting music?
32:13–51:14
5
What is Matt Donovan’s poem 'On Seeing the First Line of Wild Geese on a Tote Bag' about?
51:14–1:01:38