In this crossover episode co-host Jason van Schie makes a guest appearance on the UK Psych Health and Safety Podcast with Sheila Lord and Peter Kelly. Jason describes the primary, secondary, and tertiary approaches to psych health and safety, and argues that secondary approaches have been largely missing in organisations. He discusses how an organisation can approach psych health and safety when the job is inherently psychologically hazardous. He responds to critics who claim that most psychosocial hazards are outside of the control of organisations, and describes why the popular approaches to psych health and safety don't work. He then provides leaders with some guidance on where to get started implementing psych health and safety for their teams.

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