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Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show

Bulls get their guy in Caleb Wilson

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 21.906 Vinny Rotino

Happy Wednesday to you. Rahimi Harrison-Grody here with you on 104.3 The Score. We have a short show today. We are here for a good time, not a long time. Cubs baseball, a doubleheader with the Mets, is coming your way at 11.30. And in the meantime, a huge day in Chicago sports when you consider... Cubs won. We'll talk about that at 1025. Sox won. We'll talk about that at 1045.

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22.347 - 43.335 Vinny Rotino

And to start, I think the Bulls won in that they drafted the guy that we thought they were going to in Caleb Wilson. Nobody got cute. Everybody understood the assignment. And it was very calming for me to watch everyone go in order. DeBonsa, Peterson, Boozer. And then that left the door open for Caleb Wilson to the Bulls. And they got their guy.

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43.315 - 57.275 Marshall Harris

Is it bad that I was hoping for a little chaos in that top three just to see something interesting? Not that I didn't want Caleb Wilson to eventually become a bull, but I was like, let's see something spicy happen. Let's see, I don't know, Darren Peterson go first overall instead of A.J. DeBonsa.

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57.295 - 62.463 Mark Grote

So much, Marshall, that, get this, you're going to need to hear this right now because you're going to crush me for it.

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Chapter 2: What were the Bulls' key draft selections?

63.264 - 71.596 Mark Grote

I put a few bucks down just for the potential of... Which one? I had Darren Peterson. I bet on him to go number one overall.

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71.616 - 72.698 Marshall Harris

What was the odds at that point?

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72.678 - 84.223 Mark Grote

It was like plus 700 or something like that. Smart money. Small money. But to your point, to your point, I was looking for a little chaos, too, and to maybe make a few bucks. But I lost money. But go ahead, please.

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84.383 - 104.862 Marshall Harris

But I think what we learn from seeing Bryson Graham, remember, this is like his thing that he does. He finds the talent. not necessarily the easy one that falls two at number four, but at 15, I was more interested, honestly, because we kind of expected Caleb Wilson to be the guy at four, in the Daylon Swain pick, simply because once he was drafted, I was like, okay,

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104.96 - 118.103 Marshall Harris

Was he being honest with us with his whole slap philosophy? The size, length, athleticism, and the physicality. But also understanding that I don't know if this guy can shoot at the level I like my basketball players to be able to shoot.

118.263 - 126.057 Vinny Rotino

Well, that's it. This is going against the grain a little bit. When you think about the last three moves the Bulls have made, right? When you consider that...

Chapter 3: How did the drafting of Caleb Wilson impact the Bulls?

126.037 - 147.139 Vinny Rotino

For example, they get Nick Claxton. We've talked about that. They wanted a guy who was a starting caliber center. Then they go after Caleb Wilson. We understand the threes are not part of his college game. Then they go after Daylon Swain from Texas, and it makes you wonder. He was picked with the 15th pick overall. So how does this look?

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147.199 - 163.654 Vinny Rotino

You know, you're trying to visualize it, and obviously it's going to take some time for these guys. But you're trying to also visualize how is Bryson Graham putting this team together? And Tiago Splitter may be your biggest example of bigs matter. And that is certainly looking like the case for this team.

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163.634 - 184.391 Mark Grote

Bigs matter, and to me, it looks like he chose two-way players. And I get it. Both need work on their offensive games. Both have somewhat of a mid-range game. Both have decent field goal percentages, but it is the three that is the bugaboo for both of those guys. Both of these guys can play really good defense.

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184.451 - 207.106 Mark Grote

And you guys have watched enough of the tape probably even before the draft on Caleb Wilson. I mean, I went through about 15 minutes worth of his stuff last night after he was drafted just to refresh me a little bit. And it's... It's amazing how much stuff he cleans up, too, because he's a very good offensive rebounder. The put-back shots off of threes, if nothing else, early on.

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207.426 - 221.687 Mark Grote

We all want to see his offensive game develop, but some of the put-back stuff on his own shots, too, I might add. But you throw up a three, you bounce it off the rim, and there's plenty of highlights where you see Caleb Wilson going up high and just slam it in some guy's face.

221.667 - 226.557 Marshall Harris

After being subjected to Nikola Vucevic for a number of years. Subjected to?

226.878 - 227.8 Caleb Wilson

Yeah, subjected.

227.84 - 239.946 Marshall Harris

That was the option. That's what you got. You had to watch a certain style of basketball from your inside players. You're right. And now I accept the return of violence to the lane.

239.926 - 253.568 Vinny Rotino

Well, not just violence to the lane, but just overall presence. You know, we were talking about this. I'm like, wait, offensively, how does this look for me right now? This is not the finished product of this team. They still have a massive amount of cap space. Like, this is not going to be the finished look.

Chapter 4: What are the expectations for Daylon Swain after being drafted?

300.954 - 301.354 Marshall Harris

Okay.

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301.334 - 306.54 Vinny Rotino

Because we've all done it. I've been watching clips of our station. It's unconscious.

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306.56 - 310.805 Mark Grote

I've already done it at least five times just talking about him before the draft.

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310.825 - 328.607 Marshall Harris

Let me tell you how this came to me as we discussed the NBA draft here on Rahimi Harris and Grody Fullhouse leading you into that doubleheader that the Cubs are putting on. It's a short show. Hour and a half and we're out. But listen, I'm listening to him last night, both leading up to the draft in random interviews and then after the draft, his post-draft press conference.

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328.857 - 330.96 Marshall Harris

I have a nickname that I'm going to be using.

331.041 - 332.623 Mark Grote

You don't have to jump on board. No, this is a good idea.

332.643 - 338.933 Marshall Harris

But I'm going to be using it. The man is 19 years old, but he is a grown man, both physically and when you hear him talk.

339.214 - 339.454 Vinny Rotino

Yeah.

339.514 - 351.314 Marshall Harris

And I went back to my old comic book days, and I came upon the thought of Dennis the Menace, and immediately I said, I will be calling this man so that I'm not messing anything up until further notice he is Mr. Wilson.

Chapter 5: What does the Bulls' recent draft strategy indicate about their future?

439.797 - 457.698 Marshall Harris

It took me back to Tiago Splitter at his introductory press conference talking about the fact that the Portland Trailblazers, especially to start, not a good three-point shooting team, but they took a lot of threes, right? But Splitter was very quick to respond and say, hey, we did miss a lot of shots, but we got a lot of offensive rebounds, one of the best offensive rebounding teams.

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457.939 - 478.023 Marshall Harris

And I think for a big as a head coach, that's going to be part of their identity, that athleticism, that physicality, and the length is the fact that they're going to go after shots that are missed. And even if they can't shoot right away, returning right now, Jalen Smith is their best three-point shooter. Sticks, yo! Yes, sticks. And that's not great.

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478.183 - 489.356 Marshall Harris

But also, I think they have an identity that you can work with. And there's more to come, two more draft picks tonight. You've got to fill out the roster. But I'm comfortable with where they are after a day.

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489.456 - 499.568 Marshall Harris

I just don't know about the long-term proposition of can they shoot the ball three years from now in a way that you need to be able to do, to Layla's point, to be able to space the floor in the modern NBA.

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499.548 - 523.918 Vinny Rotino

yeah i think what we're trying to do right now is still figure out how do you visualize this team you want like if you had to build your team with damn near one of the prototypical you know picks the ideal you got the fourth overall pick you didn't get cute you didn't try to tell everybody that you knew better than they did and you haven't given anybody a contract to double down on it yet so so far in my mind so good uh grody we forgot wellington castro

523.898 - 528.105 Vinny Rotino

We really, you know, Alfonso Suriano, Wellington Castor, we really dropped the ball here.

528.125 - 531.731 Mark Grote

You know who else, now as I'm thinking about this, we also forgot about... Wellington Castillo, sorry.

531.772 - 532.333 Vinny Rotino

Wellington Castillo.

532.353 - 540.186 Mark Grote

The catcher, right? Yeah. There's also David DeJesus. The great David DeJesus was a huge part of the... Yes, yes.

Chapter 6: How do Caleb Wilson and Daylon Swain fit into the Bulls' roster?

543.271 - 544.073 Mark Grote

Yeah. And what was it?

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544.674 - 545.996 Vinny Rotino

Cubs pre and post game live.

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546.016 - 547.659 Mark Grote

But what was the name of the station then?

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547.759 - 549.482 Vinny Rotino

Comcast Sportsnet Chicago. That's it.

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549.502 - 554.111 Mark Grote

Before NBC Sports Chicago, before CHSN, before. But, oh, Brian LaHare.

554.551 - 557.016 Vinny Rotino

Adventures in regional sports networks.

557.256 - 557.717 Mark Grote

Pretty much.

558.538 - 577.928 Vinny Rotino

I do want to also get into, because we had a really good conversation yesterday, guys, with Matt Norlander, too. And he talked about who he wanted to see at pick number 15. And I feel like the Bulls did take a risk here a little bit in picking Daylon Swain. A lot of pundits think that maybe he was drafted a little higher than they thought he was going to be drafted.

577.968 - 583.916 Vinny Rotino

So that also kind of affects how I view this draft. It's not just about Caleb Wilson.

Chapter 7: What are the strengths and weaknesses of Caleb Wilson's game?

584.016 - 586.98 Vinny Rotino

I am definitely thinking about that number 15 pick as well.

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587.382 - 610.104 Marshall Harris

With Daylon Swain specifically, understanding that he is a playmaker. He was on a big boy team last year in Texas after transferring from Xavier and following his head coach there. And look, he was the only powerful player to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists. And steals. He does it all. And you need guys of his size and stature who can make things happen.

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610.165 - 631.326 Marshall Harris

The encouraging thing that I have on Swain specifically when it comes to the shooting. And this is why I give hope. And Tiago Splitter, he's a developmental coach. He's got his work cut out for him, no doubt. with a 19-year-old and then this guy as well, who's had three years of college experience. But he shot over 81% from the free throw line in all three of his years in college. That's a base.

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631.687 - 640.018 Marshall Harris

His form isn't the quickest and cleanest. It's more like a kind of a robotic form when you watch him shoot. But the fact that he did improve his three-point percentage from year one

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639.998 - 658.783 Marshall Harris

15 to year two 25 to year three 34.4 which is just below nba league average i know it's a little bit different because the three-point line is a little further back but i like the idea that hey if you're as good as what you say you are at developing players you can get that shot to the place where it needs

658.763 - 673.802 Mark Grote

to be yeah to your point and maybe this is the part that we miss and i think everybody missed i mean i'm watching the broadcast last night when he's selected you could just tell that the pundits on on channel seven that's what i was watching we're like oh this is interesting texas like they'd

673.782 - 702.253 Mark Grote

just didn't have the the the dalen swaying notes ready to rock and roll it felt like so i think we were all taken back a little bit but he was one of these guys who vaulted his draft stock this year you were talking about the improvement through the years on the overall he has averaged 11 points per game 5.5 rebounds 22.6 assists last year his junior year this past year 17 points a game almost eight rebounds a game 3.6 assists a game so they shot up

702.233 - 708.483 Mark Grote

in his junior year. So maybe that's the part that we should have paid more attention to as it pertains to Swain and the Bulls.

708.503 - 710.546 Vinny Rotino

Well, it sounds like the Bulls paid attention to him, right?

Chapter 8: What insights did the analysts share about the Bulls' draft picks?

841.775 - 843.358 Marshall Harris

The word North is literally in the name.

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843.378 - 845.702 Mark Grote

Wait, North Carolina's not considered a southern state? No.

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845.902 - 847.665 Vinny Rotino

I think it depends on who you ask.

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848.152 - 850.297 Mark Grote

Is it because South Carolina is a southern state?

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850.317 - 852.262 Vinny Rotino

Marshall says this because he's from Alabama.

852.302 - 854.829 Mark Grote

That's why I'm acquiescing. I'm actually, I don't know.

854.889 - 857.916 Vinny Rotino

Are you kidding? People south of I-80 think they're from the south.

858.678 - 860.342 Marshall Harris

Is Texas the south?

860.382 - 861.164 Vinny Rotino

I don't consider Texas the south.

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