Ep 1397 | The Cult-like NAR Church That Nearly Destroyed John Cooper
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What is the background of John Cooper’s experience with the cult‑like NAR church?
My apostle stood up in front of the church saying there's been a third pirate party hired, but I can tell you there has been no sin. I have not sinned at all. He even asked his elders, he said, Elders, if you agree that I haven't sinned, would you stand up? There's two that didn't. All the other ones stand up, which is good. We're all sitting down like this is the most culty thing I have ever seen in my life. Not a lot of people seem to mind, except the people that are leaving. They don't understand that theology. It makes you act a certain way. The third party said, yeah, this is abusive.
John, thanks so much for taking the time to join me again in person. How are you doing?
Good. Thanks for having me again. We've talked so much. So you're always so cool to have me on. I appreciate it.
I know. I love it. Okay, you just had a marathon episode. By the time this comes out, it'll be a couple weeks ago with Elisa. And you talked, you and your wife for a few hours just about the betrayal that you had gone through at your previous church and kind of how Your new EP that comes out next month has been inspired by some of that suffering that y'all went through. So tell us first about the songs that are coming out and then what led to you writing and creating them.
Yeah, yeah, I'd love to. So yeah, I did the uh podcast with our friend Lisa Childers. And um we had been talking about it for about a year and and I really didn't want to do it. I I was like I'm trying desperately to go through every biblical process I know how with my my church, uh um to to get to a place of uh uh of some sort of reconciliation or just peaceful leaving. And and really what came down to for me was basically there was um doctrine that wasn't being shared with people. Uh so it's sort of like not we're not really disclosed. And as I began understanding it, it was just like, hey, um At the end of the day, we don't have to get along. Uh, I don't even, you know, they're not gonna repent for the way they treated us, and that's fine.
I don't even need repentance, but there does need to be a disclosure of your doctrine to the people still there. And if you will just do that, I will go away. I don't want to go public. And they just refused, and and for another 14 months. And it kind of came to a place where I'm like, I've I've got to tell this story. My wife joined me, as you mentioned. And Corey joined me. She never does interviews. I hasn't probably done three interviews in a decade. Mm. She doesn't like being on the microphone, but it was important to do. So that's why we did that. So people can go and check that out. It is a marathon. It's about two and a half hours. No,
but it was so good.
Longest interview I've ever done.
How did the “Moses Model” doctrine lead to spiritual abuse in John’s church?
Um, so here's what I would say: we have got a new EP coming out. It's called After the Storm. Uh, I would not say that this EP is about church hurt. That's not the right way for me to say it. I don't want people to listen to it and be like, oh, this is the record that's all about church. It's that's not the case. The album is about suffering and um that. Life is really hard. People are suffering all sorts of different things. And sometimes I think it's good w especially with rock music. I would say with any music, but especially rock music is about being real. It's about being authentic. It's about sharing what you're going through because that's music is very kind of therapeutic for a lot of people. And I I sing a lot of songs about
Victory, I sing a lot of sports songs. Like we have a song called Feel Invincible, you know. I feel, I feel it invincible. You're gonna make it. All these like finish line, I'm in and and very kind of energetic. I'm I'm never you're never gonna get me down. And these are like, Woof, I'm feeling pretty down, pretty feeling pretty down right now. Yeah. And I'm in a place of recognizing the hurt. Річні аттигад. At times feeling like he's not hearing me, and that's okay to admit as well. Uh we see that in the Psalms and we see that in many places in wisdom literature. Ecclesiastes, you're just like
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the background of John Cooper’s experience with the cult‑like NAR church?
0:00–2:38
2
How did the “Moses Model” doctrine lead to spiritual abuse in John’s church?
2:38–4:41
3
In what ways did the church’s stance on social‑justice issues echo the 2020 BLM movement?
4:41–15:16
4
Why did John decide to go public about the abuse and what steps did he take?
15:16–19:28
5
What did the third‑party investigation reveal about the church’s leadership?
19:28–21:38
6
How does the New Apostolic Reformation define authority and why is it problematic?
21:38–26:50
7
What personal struggles and spiritual warfare did John face during his departure?
26:50–33:57
8
How does the new EP “After the Storm” reflect John’s journey and message of hope?
33:57–1:07:46
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