SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1278 How This Brazilian SaaS Pricing Tool Went From $40k to $100k in MRR in 12 Months
23 Jan 2019
Chapter 1: What is the main focus of Intellibrand and its SaaS model?
He launched Intellibrand back in 2015. Today, he has over 40 customers paying $2,500 per month for $100,000 in monthly recurring revenue. A year ago, he was doing $40K in monthly recurring revenue, so healthy growth. He helps to close 2018 out with $200,000 in revenue. We're recording this here in July of 2018. He's raised $1.5 million in revenue.
Again, economics, it's too early for churn because they really just started going paying about three thousand dollars to acquire a customer for a two month payback period with their team of six people. This is the top entrepreneurs podcast where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn.
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Chapter 2: How did Intellibrand grow from $40K to $100K in MRR?
We went from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million.
I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs.
We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Chow San.
Chapter 3: What strategies are used for customer acquisition in SaaS?
He's got a bachelor of science in computer science, a postgraduate in project management, and co-founder currently of Intuitive Intelligence, a CRO company sold in 2016 to PMWeb. He's been an entrepreneur for over 10 years. Today, he's focused on a company called Intellibrand, which is digital trade marketing and has obviously a SaaS solution. Chow, let's jump in.
Are you ready to take us to the top?
Yes, hello, Nathan, nice to meet you.
Nice meeting you as well. So tell us about Intellibrand. What's the company doing? How do you make money?
Okay, the company started three years ago and our focus is to help brands to invest better and to sell more in the e-commerce segment. So what we did three years ago was to build a SaaS platform in order to collect a big large volume of that information about their products in the e-commerce.
And we provide analytics about pricing, assortment, trade marketing, product position in the e-commerce website.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of customer churn in Intellibrand's growth?
And also we analyze their sales so we can try to bring together, we can use the platform to demonstrate how their improvement in the digital trademarking experience in the e-commerce can help to sell better.
Got it. Chai, help me understand the scale today. What are you doing in terms of revenue?
Okay. Well, we started three years ago with something about 5K of MRR. So today, three years later, we are doing 100K a month. And how many customers? We have already 40 customers. All are... big industries, customers, such as in-library, Nestle, Rackback Insert. So the majors... Coca-Cola, the major industry in the world are our main customers here in Brazil and also in Latin America.
And they're paying about $2,500 a month, is that accurate? Sorry? They're paying, if you have $100,000 in revenue and 40 customers, they're each paying about $2,500 a month on average? Correct, correct, that's correct.
Chapter 5: How much capital has Intellibrand raised and what is its valuation?
And what do you pay to acquire these customers? What's your cap?
Our tech, it's about 10%, 10% of all the revenues.
Of first year revenue? Yeah. Okay, so call it kind of like three, four grand, something like that. Yeah, exactly. And what are you spending that money on? Is it a sales team or is it direct paid spend or what?
Well, we discovered that what happened is that this is a new market also for the industries and also for us. So we are creating this market here in Brazil, in Latin America. So that's why we don't have so many customers for a SaaS company because also our target companies are B2B enterprise companies.
And so what we are doing is that today, we don't have to have a lot of sales manager, sales executives.
Chael, what is the team size today? How many people?
The team size is just three sales executives and all the money we are spending on customer success in marketing.
So sorry, Chael, what's the total team size? About six people. Six people. Okay.
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Chapter 6: What marketing strategies are being implemented for growth?
So if half of them, three of them are sales and marketing.
Yeah, half of our sales and three are customer success.
Okay, good. So $3,000 to acquire a customer that pays $2,500 per month, that means your payback is about two months, correct? And what do you assume, what is churn today?
Well, as we are starting the business right now, we just got one percent of churn. So we still didn't have churn, basically, because our customer team are improving constantly. a lot with our customers. So we didn't experience any change.
So you haven't lost any of your customers?
Any other customers, since now.
Very good. And then, you know, that's obviously tricky when you start to try and understand what lifetime value is, but what do you assume that lifetime value is of these customers?
Well, we think that this is very early for this measure because as we grow very fast in the last year uh in the contract our one-year contract and we didn't have a turn so we we don't have a metric right now to to to determine the time value of the customer we are going to start to uh to uh calculate this um right now yep and have you raised capital or are you bootstrapped
We started a bootstrap and we raised capital last year with DJF Ventures.
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Chapter 7: How does Intellibrand leverage analytics for e-commerce?
No, the last round. Yes.
It was equity? Yeah, equity round.
Okay. And what valuation did you raise at?
Okay, we raised it as an evaluation at $5 million.
Pre-money or post? Pre-money. Pre-money, so call it $6 million post. And so look, you're doing, call it $100,000 per month right now or about $1.2 million per year if you raised at a $5 million pre. That's obviously a good valuation, 3 to 4x. What was it like negotiating that valuation down in, I think you're in Floripa, Florianopolis, Brazil, correct? No, we are in Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo.
Okay, but what are Brazil valuations like in general?
Brazil valuations in general are about five plus annual revenue. So I think that's five multiples of... annual revenues. Okay. And where it depends on the business.
Yeah. And where were you just to get some growth rate numbers here? Where were you a year ago today? You're doing a hundred thousand per month. What were you doing in July of 2017?
Well, this year our goal is to do something about, we are going to go to 2,000K. And how we are doing this, we are spending our solutions to Latin America, to other markets.
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Chapter 8: What advice does the guest have for aspiring entrepreneurs?
You said your goal by the end of the year is 200,000 per month? Yeah, correct. And what were you at a year ago in the past?
In the past, we were just 40K.
$40,000 a year ago?
Yep, correct.
Okay, very good. So healthy growth. You're more than doubling year over year. Yeah, exactly. Where do you plan to get these new customers from? How are you going to get them?
Well, our plan for 2019, in the next month, is to spend more on marketing. marketing and also in sales. We are going to invest more in sales here and also we are going to spend in late American markets. So Brazil is not just the market that we are going to go through.
Tchau. I love it. Go ahead.
Yeah, this happened because all of our customers are international companies and they are doing this step for us. They are taking our solution and expanding to other markets where they have offices. So this is why we are increasing and growing so fast here.
Yep. And just to be clear, too, in case people missed in the beginning, again, you're helping kind of the e-commerce space under management in that space, understand pricing and competitive pricing and things like that. Correct.
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