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Freightos: Can they win the Shipping wars?
15 Jul 2020
Chapter 1: What is Freightos and how does it operate in the shipping industry?
In terms of revenue, so SaaS is still – well, what we do in marketplace is we don't – we have our gross bookings or our GMV. We don't book that as revenue. We book only the net. So if you look at the gross, then the marketplace is a lot bigger. No, no, just net. Net SaaS is still bigger than marketplace in terms of our net revenue.
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My guest today is V Schreiber. He is the founder and CEO of Freightos, the digital backbone for the trillion dollar international freight industry. Previously, he was CEO at Light Tech, which is acquired by GE and founder and CEO of Unicorn, which is acquired by IBM, along with many other successful exits.
He has a PhD in computer science and is author of Fizz, which tells the history of physics as a novel. V, you ready to take us to the top? Yep. The history of physics as a novel. That sounds like hell. Well, for me, for me, right? For me, for you, it sounds like this might be great. So first of all, why write the book?
Some people are interested in the universe. They may like it and it sounds like you weren't.
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Chapter 2: How does Freightos generate revenue through SaaS and marketplace models?
Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, that's pretty significant market share. Now, one thing I want to understand about kind of what you're building, because this is a business model, right? I'm going to turn away from your industry and more into SaaS in general. But marketplace plus SaaS, there's a lot of companies really killing it doing this.
You started, it sounds like with SaaS, and you said it's leveraged to launch a marketplace model. Before I ask more questions here, I'd like to understand the significance of each. So, you know, to the extent you can in the last 12 months, what percent of your total revenue would you attribute to the SaaS model versus the Right.
And by the way, those are closely related. You know, the reason you're quite right, this combination of a SaaS-enabled marketplace is a model which people are pursuing. And they're doing that because it helps to solve the whole chicken and egg problem. problem of the marketplace.
So in our case, and you referenced this before correctly, Nathan, by selling SaaS to the sellers in the marketplace, we were able to engage with the sellers even before we had liquidity in the marketplace.
Yeah, the buyers, the buy side.
The sell side, actually. The sell side, okay. Because the freight forwarders are typically selling. So in our case, a lot of companies use this strategy to engage the buy side, but we actually used SaaS to engage the sell side and have the freight forwarders ready to sell on our marketplace when we launched it.
In terms of revenue, so SaaS is still, well, what we do in marketplaces, we have our gross bookings or our GMV. We don't book that as revenue. We book only the net. So if you look at the gross, then the marketplace is a lot bigger. No, no, just net. Net SaaS is still bigger than marketplace in terms of our net revenue.
Okay, I mean, are we talking like SaaS is 80% and net revenue on marketplace is 20%?
Yeah, a little more than 20% now. Okay, fair enough.
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Chapter 3: How does Freightos compare to traditional freight forwarders?
So that is $40 on the seller side. And then you'll take 3%, right, about $60 on the buy side. So you're making essentially $100 per cargo container shipped.
Right.
Correct. Interesting. Okay, very cool. Last few questions. I got deep into this and then missed some other macro stuff. Last time you were on, you said you raised about 50 million bucks. Still at 50 or have you raised more?
No, we've raised more. We've raised 95 million in total now.
Jesus, that's a lot of dilution. Why'd you have to raise so much?
Well, we're going after a big, big market here. So, you know, we have people around the world. We have customers around the world. It's a big market. So I'm not worried about dilution so much. I want to make sure that we're capturing the, you know, capturing the industry.
Yep. Team size today. How many people? We're creeping up on 300.
Okay. How many engineers? About the best part of half of that, maybe 120, 130. Okay.
And any quota carrying sales reps?
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Chapter 4: What challenges does Freightos face in the international shipping market?
If so, how many?
We do have, yes. We have both on the buy side and the sell side. Order of magnitude, 15.
Okay, so actually not a ton relative to what I imagine your scale is. Okay, good. So 15 folks.
There's a lot of digital marketing as well, right? They're backed up by the direct sales. And for the big forwarders, we need direct sales. But a lot of our Marketing is digital.
Yep. And if I asked you how many customers do you serve today, how would you answer that?
Well, we serve 1,500 trade forwarders, like I mentioned earlier. And then the buyers on our marketplace is thousands. I don't remember even exactly the number, but it's quite a few thousand.
Yeah. But the reason I ask is, so you consider the freight forwarders your customers?
Yes.
Um, both, but yeah, technically the freight forwarders are our customers.
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Chapter 5: What metrics does Freightos track to measure success?
So there's more people coming in and getting started. Yeah. Very good. All right, Zvi, let's wrap up with a famous five. Number one, what's your favorite business book?
Oh, my goodness. I haven't actually read a book. I read sort of, you know, bits and pieces. I haven't read a book for a long time. I still like the classic Innovator's Dilemma.
Yeah, you gave Crossing the Chasm last time.
Yeah, I still like that as well. I haven't forgotten it.
Many years ago, but I haven't forgotten it. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? No, not really. Number four, what's your favorite online tool for building your company? What was number three? Oh, sorry. No, that was number three. Favorite online tool.
Sorry. Favorite online tool for building the company. Yep. Well, we use, you know, I'm not sure if this is your question. We use tools like Salesforce.com. We use segments. And actually, maybe our favorite tool is Domo. We use Domo a lot for business intelligence.
Okay. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? I sleep well, seven hours. Okay, and situation, married, single kids?
Married, kids, and two grandkids now. Ooh, exciting.
How many kids? Yeah, four kids. Four kids, two grandkids.
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Chapter 6: How has Freightos evolved since its founding in 2012?
Thanks, Nathan.