Matt Wisner has lived the full arc of the sport — from the high-stakes oval of NCAA and professional track to the freer, wider world of creative expression and longer distances. A former Duke and University of Oregon runner turned Oregon Track Club pro, Matt has since pivoted into storytelling, producing Alexi Pappas’s Mentor Buffet podcast and writing about the culture and meaning of running with rare honesty. Now based in Los Angeles, Matt is exploring the shift from chasing PRs to chasing perspective: why track once felt like running against time itself, how ultras and longer distances open up an entirely new way of experiencing the sport, and what happens when you stop holding on so tightly to metrics. We also talk about writing, coaching, and why running — at its best — is about lightness, freedom, and finding lessons that echo far beyond the course. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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