The Mystery of the Vape Shop Kratom

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Unnamed 1:58
A few weeks ago, I talked to a search engine listener with a question. At the time, I wasn't sure whether he'd want to be anonymous or not. Okay, so first of all, do you want to just say your name, like how you want to identify yourself for the purposes of this recording?
Chris 2:13
Yeah, I'm Chris Glenn. I go by Chris, but, you know, I hadn't really thought about any kind of like anonymity idea or anything like that. Do you want any anonymity? If you want it, we can offer it. If you don't care, we don't need to. I decided basically I don't care. I would be happy to have my name attached to anything I say. It's fine.
Unnamed 2:37
The reason I was being a little cautious here was that Chris had written to us about an experience he'd had with addiction. Addiction to a kind of drug that neither of us was sure you were even supposed to call a drug. It was hard to know how to talk about any of this. But I'd wanted to speak to him because the substance in question and Chris's questions about it. In the past year, a bunch of my friends had taken me aside privately with similar questions. So you wrote us an email, and all the emails go to my phone, and I read them all, but yours I read quicker than most because it had the word. It's pronounced Kratom, right? I really don't know. I've heard Kratom with a long A. You hear Kratom. You've heard more Kratom than Kratom. Yeah.
Unnamed 3:20
All right, let's proceed with Kratom. It had the word Kratom in the subject, which piqued my interest because we have been talking about Kratom for like a year in the office. Okay. Can you just like tell me... the story of how Kratom crossed your radar?
Chris 3:35
Yeah, absolutely. I, over the years, have had struggles with addiction of various kind, mostly alcohol. And so it's been a couple years ago now, I was really doing badly with alcohol and drinking a lot and decided to get into rehab, went to detox first, and then got into outpatient rehab program. And it was actually there that one of the people in group, he was a lot like me. His main problem was alcohol, but any kind of substance that crossed his path, he might have problems with. I'm the same way.
Unnamed 4:17
There's a word for that in recovery circles. It's like a garbage head. Yep. Which I'm not trying to be pejorative. It's just a friend of mine who's a recovery person said that to me once.
Chris 4:25
Yes, I've heard that as well.
Unnamed 4:28
So Chris, in rehab, was talking about how he was struggling to quit cannabis. And this other guy mentioned that he had also had a bit of a problem with something called kratom.

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