"Does the penalty fit the crime. I say it doesn't" | Tim and Garry go head to head! (24.09.26)

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What are the basic facts of Lachie Neale’s suspension case?

Garry (host) 0:00

Breakfast with

Garry Lyon 0:01

Gary and Tim.

Garry (host) 0:02

Okay, we're going to do this in because this is what we do. We love passion and we love debate and we love disagreement. Now that is what makes the world go around. We don't like abuse. So you can have a different opinion to Tim. Don't abuse him. You can have a different opinion to me. Don't abuse me either. No,

Garry Lyon 0:18

no, we

Garry (host) 0:18

can't. We won't abuse you, but we can disagree respectfully. So lucky Neil Bairn upheld. He's going to miss the grand final. It was deemed to be intentional. Neil, these are the facts of the case. Neil admitted he was aware of the crackdown on the intentional strikes. No evidence of a fist, but considerable enough to knock Guinevan over. Off ball, behind the play strike to an unsuspecting opponent. They said they had no problem finding him guilty. He's been guilty four times before. He can go to the AFL Appeals Ball. Now, the compelling and exceptional circumstances that got Pendlebury and Gary Ablett off, they were deemed to be careless incidents. This has been deemed to be an intentional incident, not a split-second thing that happens, but an intentional, for the fourth occasion, found guilty of the strike to the body, so the exceptional and compelling circumstances wasn't applied.

Garry (host) 1:08

They're just the facts, or that's how it's been deemed to have arrived at this point right now.

Garry Lyon 1:13

Right, okay. Well, let's just look at this again, okay? The one match for a swinging arm that, based on the grainy, inconclusive video, Evans was forceful enough to knock Ginnivan off his feet, but not enough to wind him.

How do Tim and Garry define the severity of the strike and its impact?

Garry Lyon 1:25

He got up straight away. He wasn't hurt at all. So you'd have to say the force wasn't severe in any way. Medium impact, it's been. Well, I would say it's low

Mitchell 1:34

impact. I can argue it's

Garry Lyon 1:36

low impact. I think that's arguable. I can say that it's low, okay? A grand final penalty for an action like that is extremely harsh. And I say to you and I say to everybody out there, does the penalty fit the crime? Does that penalty fit the crime? And I say it doesn't because I would put a higher level of importance upon a grand final, upon a final, and a threshold should be raised as a consequence of that

Mitchell 2:03

for these actions. But that's not the

Garry Lyon 2:03

case. But it should be. It should be, Gary. No, but just listen to me because it should be. And I know you would agree with me that a grand final has a greater level of importance in every possible way than any other game that we play throughout the course of the year. And it's not to say that somebody would get off a penalty that was four weeks. They might get it downgraded to three. You wouldn't necessarily get off. But a penalty for a week for what Lockie Neal did on Saturday night does not justify him missing a grand final. That does not justify that. That's

Garry (host) 2:37

a different argument, though.

Garry Lyon 2:39

It's the same thing connected to what we're talking about. So

Garry (host) 2:42

you're saying that. I'm

Garry Lyon 2:43

saying that you could say – I'm saying that what you could do is you could downgrade that penalty back down to him not missing a game, and he could have a suspended one-match penalty as a result of that. Because I think the games that lead to grand finals need to be looked with a different lens than other games throughout the course of the year.

Does a one‑week penalty truly fit the crime for missing a Grand Final?

Garry (host) 3:01

That's a different argument, if you don't mind me saying.

Garry Lyon 3:03

No, that's related to the penalty,

Garry (host) 3:05

though. Yeah, you're saying that waiting for a grand final. But you'd be happy for him to be suspended for home and away then?

Garry Lyon 3:10

Yes, I would be. I think it's different. Okay, well, that's a different argument. I think there is a difference, and there's nuance associated with that as well. There's nuance associated with all these things. There's nuance associated with some people think it was a punch. I don't believe it was a punch. It

Garry (host) 3:26

doesn't have to be a punch,

Garry Lyon 3:27

though. No, no.

Garry (host) 3:28

So there's people here arguing and saying, Gary, you're an idiot. As I said, I'm not going to abuse you, so don't abuse me or Tim. It doesn't have to be a punch.

Garry Lyon 3:37

No, no, it can be a strike. Yeah. And that was a strike. Had he

Garry (host) 3:39

swung that hard and hit him in the head, what do you reckon would happen?