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How opposition whiteboard analysis was back in the day (5.05.26)

04 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 4.077 Gary Lyon

Breakfast with Gary and Tim. Oh, boy.

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4.638 - 22.484 Sam Edmund

Sam Edmund, just the one of him, is going to join us out of 8 o'clock with all of the news, and then we've got questions and outnows to get to. A lot of the issues we haven't got to, but Tim seems to, with his recollection of Kevin Sheedy's dossier on opposition players, he may have upset the Italian ambassadors called through.

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26.089 - 26.87 Tim Watson

Trevor! Why did you do that to me, guy?

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26.89 - 27.591 Mario

I'm one of them. I did that to you.

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27.571 - 37.927 Sam Edmund

I hope that's not fruity. We put our whole life in the hands of Fat Fingers, our producer. He reckons he speaks Italian.

Chapter 2: What insights does Tim share about whiteboard opposition analysis?

37.967 - 40.311 Gary Lyon

Mario speaks Italian too. He's out there in North Carlton.

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Chapter 3: How did Kevin Sheedy's dossier influence player analysis?

40.331 - 43.275 Gary Lyon

Good morning, Mario. Good morning, Gary and Tim.

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43.416 - 66.133 Tim Watson

Hey, Mario. Tim, on the 14th of June 1982, I was hanging off just below the windsock there at Napier Street, or I was at the back there, just under 34,000, Queen's birthday, God bless Her Majesty, the head of MI6. But let me tell you one thing. You had about 24 possessions, but that day...

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66.704 - 89.079 Tim Watson

Weasley, Victor Lofts, Kevin Hall, Peter Kerr and Ian Stanley Collins identified Carlton's next Ruckman, Justin Madden. They went to his house that night. I'm serious. They went to his house that night in downtown Essendon, wherever he lived. I don't know. It was just off. Yeah, not far from the ground. Yeah, not far. Like the hall or St. Columbus where Jennifer Kite went. You know what I mean?

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89.48 - 110.519 Tim Watson

And they signed him up because they knew that the Rhodes Scholar had only one more year left in him because he obviously wanted to take over the Socialist Party there with John Kerry. Let me tell you one thing. You know what he had that day? He had 28 possessions. Sorry, 28 hit-outs. You had about 24 possessions. Two behinds. I remember he was still wearing the red shorts.

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110.84 - 114.306 Tim Watson

But guess who starred that day? Wayne Otway. Four goals.

114.487 - 117.452 Gary Lyon

Did he really? Little Wayne Otway from Perth. The ranger.

Chapter 4: What memorable experiences does Tim recall from his playing days?

117.873 - 125.199 Gary Lyon

Yeah. Yes, the Ranger. So that was the day that they approached Justin Madden. What a coup that was for the Blues.

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125.42 - 128.582 Sam Edmund

Mario, I think I heard you yesterday suggesting Harry should go in the ruck.

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129.523 - 142.875 Tim Watson

That's exactly right, Gary. Exactly right. Hey, Harry Mackay, who is John James' number, 1961 Brownlee medalist, if Michael Voss was smart, what was he doing at three-quarter time? He was sending an email to Lee Matthews.

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142.895 - 145.017 Mario

You've used all your good stuff yesterday, Mario.

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145.037 - 145.818 Tim Watson

You need fresh stuff, Mario.

145.838 - 147.319 Mario

You've got to get some fresh stuff.

148.16 - 159.492 Tim Watson

Mate, I'm over this, mate. I'm 56 and we haven't won a flag since 1995. And you know who's going to win the flag this year? Who? The Dockers.

159.512 - 160.794 Sam Edmund

Yeah, they might. They're not bad.

Chapter 5: What was the significance of the 1982 game for Essendon?

161.274 - 172.727 Sam Edmund

Hey, good to talk to you. Always good, Mario. I feel like I know Mario well. He's a regular contributor on SEN. I don't think Ari's a ruckman, Mario, though. I'll take exception with that. I'm not sure he's going to play in the ruck. Paul's in Rosanna. Go, Paul.

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174.008 - 190.715 Unknown

Hi, Gary. Hi, Tim. I'm a Bulldogs member, as you probably realised. A couple of people have asked me, are you happy with Jamara playing well? Well, to be honest, I'd just like to get something off my chest. I'm not that thrilled about it. We bent over backwards with Jamara last year, especially Bevo. We got nothing in return.

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191.216 - 205.068 Unknown

Now, with Darcy out for a year, Jamara would be playing with the dogs and we would have beaten Freo last week with Jamara. So, look, you know, I mean, I don't want to be sounding bitter and twisted, but Yeah, I'm really disappointed.

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205.088 - 224.16 Sam Edmund

Yeah, I think this is the thing, Paul, if you don't mind me jumping in. He wouldn't have been playing for you because he just couldn't get, for whatever reason, if he had stayed at the Dogs, he'd been given plenty of chances. As you rightly point out, that Bevo had supported him and everyone else, but he just needed a change of environment. That's as simple as that. That's what happens.

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224.22 - 237.634 Sam Edmund

Footy clubs over time have had players on their list that they would love to have kept, but for whatever reason, they needed a change to get the best out of them. So we appreciate your call, Paul. You'd have been proud of your dogs on Friday. They were very brave against a good female outfit.

238.357 - 252.749 Gary Lyon

They had a real crack. Yep. They had a real, real crack. Thanks, Paul. Hey, I know you're not a spokesperson for the Melbourne Football Club, but I do need to put this to you, okay? Stephen Smith appointed Brian Cook as the interim CEO.

Chapter 6: How did player recruitment strategies evolve over time?

253.009 - 254.072 Sam Edmund

I know where you're going with this.

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254.092 - 257.479 Gary Lyon

Now we've learned that Cookie's off on a four-week holiday to Croatia.

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257.459 - 275.876 Sam Edmund

Hopefully so, too. And look. That was a tough press conference he did. He needed a month off. He got asked a very difficult question about CEOs that had footy experience, and he didn't quite nail it. So he's going to have a week off, a month off, rather, and he'll be back to take over from the interim of interim.

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275.896 - 287.466 Gary Lyon

So the question is, okay, we know that he likes to tan himself, Cookie. Will he be taking some Cobram Estate olive oil to rub into his lovely skin? He's going to bathe in it.

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287.446 - 292.094 Sam Edmund

to get himself a nice tan by the time he returns. He's going to have a bath.

292.114 - 303.615 Gary Lyon

Did you find this a little bit unusual that the caretaker CEO is going away four weeks? A little. Who steps in as the caretaker of the caretaker?

303.595 - 325.187 Sam Edmund

I mean, Cozzy's going to be the first playing CEO of Mel. No, Ned Guy's going to be the caretaker. Yeah, it was a little strange, but it doesn't worry me too much, Whispers, as long as they get some stability in that position long term. It didn't affect the performance on the weekend. We haven't talked about that. What a game of footy that was.

325.468 - 330.936 Sam Edmund

This is a really interesting part of what happens now. What are you laughing at?

331.102 - 344.413 Gary Lyon

Is it okay if I read this out? Morning, Gary and Tim. There's a male Italian army Barbie doll. When you open the box, he comes out with his hands up in the air, surrendering. Oh, you think that's funny?

Chapter 7: What challenges do modern teams face compared to past eras?

377.988 - 395.079 Sam Edmund

The layer of defence, how he incorporates the next layer is what interests me, because I'm watching the game thinking, this is beautiful to watch, but I'm not sure we're going to beat the Swannies in a shootout. Our defensive numbers aren't as good as theirs. But Melbourne still managed to kick 117 points against the best defence in the comp. So that's a massive tick.

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396.081 - 406.903 Sam Edmund

So what I'm interested now, will he wait, do you think, until the end of the year and spend the six months of the off-season now instituting a more defensive layer?

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406.943 - 418.138 Gary Lyon

I hope not. I hope not. We'll have to add some of them. The best form of defence is to attack, Gary, is to attack, attack, attack. How'd they get back into that game? They didn't go into some defensive mindset.

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Chapter 8: What role does leadership play in team dynamics?

418.278 - 431.796 Sam Edmund

They attacked and they attacked and they attacked. No, I don't want to lose that. But the Swans- They'll get better at other stuff. This is my point. The Swans are number one in attack, which is what you were talking about, but they're number one in defence. So that's the next part of the Melbourne evolution, which is not going to happen straight away.

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431.836 - 432.617 Gary Lyon

They'll still evolve.

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432.878 - 437.704 Sam Edmund

Yeah. But they've got to tighten up on the back end. But it was a really entertaining game of footy, wasn't it?

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437.684 - 456.58 Gary Lyon

Yeah, it was. Has Cookie left for Croatia yet or not, do you think? I don't know. I'm not sure. What's the great place that people visit in Croatia? Dubrovnik. Yeah, Dubrovnik. I don't know. I made that up. No, there's a little beachside place there. Are you the traveller amongst us? That's where he'll be going. I can guarantee you that's where he'll be going.

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456.86 - 457.161 Sam Edmund

Yeah. Yeah.

458.187 - 461.497 Gary Lyon

Split. The split. That's where we'll be going. Nice. The split.

461.517 - 470.302 Sam Edmund

I'm watching our Fox Sports News at the moment. There's a big banner, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. What's happened? I won't go to the break until they actually say what it is. Will?

470.483 - 471.546 Gary Lyon

No. On a world scale?

471.566 - 474.514 Sam Edmund

I'll go to the break and I'll give you the breaking news on the other side.

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