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Salty Clouds aren’t the only strange thing about this object in space

26 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 10.285 Ira Glass

This is Ira Glass. On This American Life, one thing we like is a good mystery. Sometimes about really big things, but most times, the little mysteries are the best.

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10.586 - 15.613 Daniel Green

Our lost and found is currently filled with pants. I don't know what, I've never seen this happen.

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16.053 - 16.714 Tonya Mosley

Wait, this is true?

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16.754 - 23.644 Ira Glass

This is true. Mysteries of every size, each week. This American Life, wherever you get your podcasts.

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24.886 - 48.378 Regina Barber

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. Hey, short wavers. Regina Barber here. And Angela Zeng. With our biweekly science news roundup featuring Juana Summers of All Things Considered. You're super fun. I'm glad you're back. Glad to be back with y'all. Okay, so this week we've got a few mysteries unraveling. First up, an object in space that might be a planet or might be a failed star.

48.998 - 58.549 Regina Barber

And what new observations about its clouds can reveal about it. Juana. Yes. Angela, if you could have a cloud made of anything, what would it be?

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Oh.

59.009 - 66.205 Juana Summers

I mean, I feel like my brain automatically goes to marshmallows, which I feel like might be a cop-out, but I'm also really hungry, so that might have something to do with this.

66.225 - 70.555 Regina Barber

Marshmallows will not quench that hunger, though. But they taste really good. Yeah, that's true.

Chapter 2: What mysterious object in space is being discussed?

95.992 - 96.152 Angela Zhang

Perfect.

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96.172 - 99.155 Regina Barber

Cotton candy is the first thing. But these clouds are none of those things.

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99.896 - 112.949 Angela Zhang

Yeah, stay tuned. Our second and third topics are a lot closer to home, the exciting possibility of a sex-specific burial site of ancient human relatives, and what great apes' laughter can tell us about the evolution for human communication.

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113.65 - 116.513 Regina Barber

I don't have a fun question for this, though. And yet I'm still intrigued.

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Okay.

117.532 - 131.237 Regina Barber

We'll laugh a lot. That's all I can say. So today on the show, we've got mysteries across space and time. You're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

135.065 - 157.647 Katie Hood

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158.774 - 181.255 Korva Coleman

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183.125 - 198.248 Ira Glass

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Chapter 3: What significant discovery was made about ancient human relatives?

322.834 - 325.338 Juana Summers

What did scientists find out that's so interesting?

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325.698 - 345.908 Regina Barber

So in 2013, archaeologists discovered more than a thousand human-like fossils, so like bones and teeth, in the Rising Star cave system in South Africa. And one big thing jumped out. All the reconstructed skeletons looked oddly the same size. which surprised scientists because in most primate species, there's a clear difference in size between the sexes.

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346.329 - 357.447 Angela Zhang

And this species, called Homo naledi, they lived a few hundred thousand years ago. They walked upright and they had human-like hands and feet, but their brains were much smaller than those of ancient humans.

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357.427 - 360.871 Regina Barber

Yeah, and if you look them up, they look very planet of the apes.

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360.891 - 361.111 Angela Zhang

Okay, okay.

361.692 - 374.226 Regina Barber

Anyway, a study out this week in the journal Cell may have solved the size mystery. An international team of researchers analyzed the teeth of 20 Homo naledi individuals spanning thousands of years to determine the sex.

374.506 - 380.413 Paulessa Madupe

All of the Homo naledi individuals that we looked at came back missing a male marker.

380.393 - 393.927 Angela Zhang

That's lead author and molecular scientist Paulessa Madupe. She says the chances are about one in a million that all 20 would be female. So the team thinks this could have been an intentional sex-specific burial practice.

393.947 - 410.547 Regina Barber

Oh, interesting. So how big of a deal would that be if it's true? It could be a big deal because Homo naledi isn't in our direct lineage and burial practices are largely ascribed to humans. Although other animals do it like elephants and naked mole rats. Interesting. So how are others in the field reacting to these findings?

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