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117: The Enabler with Kathleen Madigan | Soder Podcast | EP 115

20 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What events are part of the Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour?

0.031 - 23.344 Dan Soder

Hey, guys. Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour is starting back up in February. February 13th, we kick back off in Orlando, but we're coming to Tampa, Buffalo, New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Dallas, Houston, Oklahoma City. The list goes on and on. Go to dansoder.com and see all announced dates. All dates are up, and the tickets are on sale. Go buy tickets right now.

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23.625 - 40.319 Dan Soder

I really appreciate it, and I hope you're doing okay. How tall are you? 5'1". 5'1"? Maybe. Is that where? Maybe.

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40.359 - 43.527 Kathleen Madigan

It started at 5'1 1⁄2", so maybe 5 1⁄2".

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44.59 - 47.537 Dan Soder

Was that ever a moment where you're like, did you hate it being short?

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48.698 - 49.899 Kathleen Madigan

No, I prefer it.

50.059 - 50.9 Dan Soder

Because you fit everywhere.

50.92 - 60.431 Kathleen Madigan

You should watch me say Quan Barkley through an airport. Yeah. It's a maze ball. Tall people do not see me. Yeah. I'm almost like a child. Sometimes it's irritating.

60.451 - 61.192 Dan Soder

Because of the level you're in?

61.252 - 82.603 Kathleen Madigan

Yeah, but like if I'm standing in line to get on the plane, and it's always dudes. I hate to say it, but women wouldn't do it. Sure. Well, men are a lot taller. Anyway, they'll just walk right by me, and I don't think they're being rude. I do not think they saw me. I'm just like, I'm there. Sometimes I'll yell if Joan's traveling with me. I'm like, I'm a fucking person. Like, God damn you guys.

Chapter 2: How does Kathleen Madigan feel about being short?

100.41 - 107.561 Dan Soder

You put on glasses, they're going to know it's Superman. And then you see him go. It actually works way better than you think.

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107.581 - 108.362 Kathleen Madigan

You would think, yeah.

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108.382 - 127.186 Dan Soder

I remember one time after a show at Helium in Philadelphia, me and my buddy that was with me on the show went to go get food at a restaurant that was still open. It was like the Thursday night show, so the restaurants were still open. And we walk in and I had glasses at the time. It was before I got LASIK. So I had my glasses on after the show because I don't wear them on stage.

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127.206 - 133.134 Dan Soder

And I had my glasses on and this couple from the show was talking to my friend. And they were like, you were great.

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Chapter 3: What insights does Kathleen share about her experiences in airports?

133.575 - 150.079 Dan Soder

They were like, what a show. And you know the comic thing where they tell your feature you're great and then you go, well, I hate myself. Right, you were kind of good too. Yeah, but then they were like, where's the guy? I was standing next to him. They were like, where's the guy that... was the headliner. And I was like, that was me. And they're like, oh.

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150.099 - 152.582 Dan Soder

And you're like, so I guess glasses do fool people.

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152.602 - 155.886 Kathleen Madigan

They can, I think, alter yourself enough that people don't know.

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156.106 - 162.813 Dan Soder

Yeah. Also, it is like the hiding in plain sight thing where it's like, like you said, people don't even notice you.

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162.833 - 175.888 Kathleen Madigan

No. And if I have my glasses on, if somebody thinks it's me, they'll be like, hey, I think it. I'm like, yeah, all right, you got me. It's like tag. It's like laser tag out in the general public. And I'm like, you got me. You're laser straight. You're right.

175.868 - 184.481 Dan Soder

But have you ever noticed in the airport the three seconds of thought someone puts in when they look at you and they go... Well, if I make eye contact, it's over now. They're coming.

184.581 - 185.662 Kathleen Madigan

They're coming for the picture.

185.702 - 193.935 Dan Soder

If I make eye contact in the airport, I'll go... The confirmation. But sometimes you'll notice it and you go, I have about three seconds to get out of here.

193.955 - 215.426 Kathleen Madigan

Yeah, I'll tell her. I'm like, there's a guy on the right. He's staring. And it's not like... And then we're... Oh, my fucking biker bar by my house. I go... There's a dude behind you doing really weird shit. He was, like, kind of dancing. Okay. But he looked like Tim McGraw. He was really handsome. Very handsome. Skullcap on, the whole thing. But it's a biker bar.

Chapter 4: How does Kathleen describe the differences in drinking laws across states?

525.969 - 544.77 Kathleen Madigan

We went in eight in the commissary deal. We wandered around. We smoked cigarettes. I'm like, I'm drinking. Yeah. Me and Shay drank the white wine. And we're like, I'm like, I don't got to do anything except run lines with you. But you already know him. I just, that whole world. I'm like, I'm friends with Leanne.

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544.83 - 547.753 Dan Soder

Sure. And she loves. She's doing great right now. She's doing awesome.

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547.913 - 549.415 Kathleen Madigan

And I'm so happy, happy, happy.

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549.835 - 562.897 Kathleen Madigan

I'm very jealous she has a beagle that I want to steal. But she always dreamt of having a sitcom. Like when I was a kid and watched, I don't know, the Roseanne sitcom, I didn't think, oh, I would like to do that.

562.978 - 563.178 Dan Soder

Sure.

563.499 - 574.257 Kathleen Madigan

No. But would she be on The Tonight Show and just do five minutes and leave? I'm like, that'd be good. That'd be fun. Yeah, just five minutes, and I'm out. And you call me when you're ready, and I'm only there an hour and a half, tops.

574.338 - 581.31 Dan Soder

Do you think it's a control thing? Because I think with stand-ups, we like to control the entire joke.

581.712 - 604.918 Kathleen Madigan

Well, I am not a control freak. It's when I'm with people who seemingly have zero control, then I get irritated where I'm like, what the fuck? Hey, Mr. Lighting Man, why did this take eight times? Hey, Mr. Sound Lady, whatever. Like, I don't understand the delays, and maybe it's just because I don't know enough about it, but I become extremely impatient.

Chapter 5: How do gambling apps affect personal finances?

2486.754 - 2501.08 Dan Soder

They don't care about us. They're trying to get us to stay on our phone as much as possible. So DraftKings isn't the same as the guy you knew in St. Louis running numbers. Because you'd have to go to him and go, I want the Cardinals, and I want the Brewers, and I want the Pirates.

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2501.1 - 2502.562 Kathleen Madigan

And then you have to go to your cousin for a loan.

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2502.643 - 2502.883 Dan Soder

Yeah.

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2503.103 - 2519.546 Kathleen Madigan

I went through that. Yeah. It was really my cousin coming to me when I was bartending and going, Kathleen, you wouldn't happen to have like an extra three grand. I'm in college. I am bartending. I'm making $58 a night, Mike. No, I don't. Yeah, I do.

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Chapter 6: What experiences shape Kathleen's views on gambling?

2519.586 - 2524.352 Kathleen Madigan

I have three grand sitting around. No. But I'm like, what happened to you? But see, it happened to him back then.

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2524.392 - 2525.394 Dan Soder

Yeah, it did.

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2525.414 - 2527.376 Kathleen Madigan

He got in way too deep betting on baseball.

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2527.397 - 2550.983 Dan Soder

And I think you get that. times a million with these apps. Because these apps, you sign up, you link your bank account, and now you're in it. And now they do these things where they have all these commercials. Most comics I know... are sponsored by a gambling app, do gambling app. And by the way, every comic that does a gambling app commercial, could you put a little fucking effort into it?

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2551.363 - 2553.566 Kathleen Madigan

Jesus Christ.

2553.626 - 2557.531 Dan Soder

I'm watching all my friends do these things where they go, where they're reading it like they're blind.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of gambling culture on society?

2557.571 - 2572.271 Dan Soder

This is every things ad that I see comics do. Hey, what's up guys? I know you're really excited for that upcoming tournament. Don't forget to get fun action. All this, you fucking pimp. You're just pimping your fans out.

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2572.291 - 2574.214 Kathleen Madigan

I don't even think Jamie Foxx speaks.

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2574.234 - 2574.535 Dan Soder

No.

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2574.595 - 2581.305 Kathleen Madigan

He just walks in a field of gold. Kevin Hart. There's gold lighting and he's gold. The ones that I've seen where I'm like, oh.

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2581.485 - 2586.252 Dan Soder

And Kevin Hart and LeBron are being charming. Fuck you.

2586.332 - 2587.774 Kathleen Madigan

And all buddy, buddy.

Chapter 8: How does gambling intertwine with personal responsibility?

2587.794 - 2596.842 Dan Soder

Bam, I can't believe LeBron. What game did you bet on? Kevin Hart, you see it and you go, you're a billionaire. It was a joke that I put on YouTube. It's like, how much money is enough?

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2598.024 - 2604.972 Kathleen Madigan

Maybe we could bet on that. I don't know. I don't understand why they would take the gig, except I think they might like it. Like, I love.

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2605.032 - 2608.135 Dan Soder

Then you should. You should. They should.

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2608.155 - 2611.659 Kathleen Madigan

I have a speech for those people. That's a good ad because I'm passionate about it.

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2611.799 - 2612.2 Dan Soder

This is.

2613.061 - 2618.767 Kathleen Madigan

I think about dopamine for the young people. I guess I get it. I don't feel like anything on my phone.

2618.787 - 2630.702 Dan Soder

I'm just saying right now. you sound like the kind of person that goes, you should smoke in a hospital. It's a stress reliever. And then we're going to grow up and go, remember when you thought smoking in hospitals was okay?

2631.543 - 2647.966 Kathleen Madigan

I want to have a show after intervention called The Enabler where I teach you how to gamble. Do you know how many people I've taught how to gamble? Do you know how many people I've taught how to play craps? And it is not fun for me to keep repeating this pattern of, here's how you play video poker. You should play double, double bonus poker. Here's what you should do. You want to go for four aces.

2648.007 - 2650.109 Kathleen Madigan

Fuck the Royal Flush. It goes on and on and on.

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