How Can You Care But Not Vote? | Surrounded Follow-Up
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Karleb, welcome to the Surrounded Follow-Up. Pleasure to have you.
A pleasure being here and thank you for having me. This was amazing. This is cool. This is nice technology. Let's go.
How have you been since we recorded with Governor Wes Moore?
How did Carlheb react after the original Surrounded debate with Wes Moore?
First of all, I want to say the experience was actually something I never thought I'd be exposed to. It was really exciting to meet Governor Westmore and beyond that, to see how the team functioned, to see how every one of the contestants and arguments landed was really exciting. I've been great. I've been reflecting on it. I've become a lot more politically driven. I think this whole narrative that happened really sort of ignited something in me. I've been reading a lot of Martin Luther King. I've been reading Up on Gandhi. I've been reading a lot more Malcolm X's work. So just trying to just like stay ready because I think during the debate, I realized a lot of things.
Well, I want to hear that, but maybe we'll just see how you came in first. You were so high energy. And I remember every time the director would kind of want to see who was interested in going to the center in between takes, I would always be pointing to you. Like, get this guy in.
Get this guy up there. Yeah, man.
Bro, like I felt like I really did prepare hard and I feel like to be honest with you, I feel like this topic is a topic that all the content about non-voters is about how non-voters are dumb, how they don't have any idea what they're doing and how they're against democracy and against having their voice read. And a lot of them are very angry. And I felt like this was an opportunity to sort of give the other side where it's like, I didn't want to come off dumb. That was the first thing. I also didn't want to come off uneducated. So like I was hyped up because I was like, this is this is this is like forward thinking stuff. This is the opportunity to sort of break a new angle on something that is for so long sort of a taboo topic.
Non-voters.
Yeah. And I really want to dig into that because based on the exchange that you had with the governor, I got a sense that there was actually a much deeper political philosophy that you had and that you were kind of scratching at in the conversation. And if you had more time and were just alone in a room with him, we might have gotten there. So let's see if we can pull back more of those layers. But I just want to play you the clip of when you first went into the center.
How are we talking? First, first, before I start anything, I need to just say one thing, brother. You look really good. You're talking really amazingly, and you're doing amazing today. I want you to know that what you're standing up for, what you've done so far for my people, and also the people in Maryland, is absolutely phenomenal. I don't want to disregard any of that work you put down. Okay. And the people that came before you would be very proud of what you've done so far.
Thank you.
I just want to highlight something that you said that sort of triggered me. You said a few things, but I think the biggest one is that our ancestors would be very disappointed if we chose not to vote. And I think that that's a little disingenuous. Because think about 1791 in August, the Haitian Revolution. What happened? They literally congregated and said, we are going to burn the houses and cut every slave master's head. Think about Black Wall Street. What happened during Black Wall Street? We literally united and said, hey, look at us. We can build our own system. We can make our own thing. We don't have to be part of the wicked system that is America because what was America founded on? Rotten soil on the heads of multiple millions of indigenous people.
And I don't mean to have so much energy for you, brother.
No, no, listen, I appreciate it.
But I also think it's also disingenuous because we recognize like, The correlation between Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. There's a section where they both realized that the system was too wicked for them to actually repair it.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:13
2
How did Carlheb react after the original Surrounded debate with Wes Moore?
0:13–9:32
3
Why does Carlheb cite the Haitian Revolution and Black Wall Street when rejecting voting as the only solution?
9:32–13:07
4
What evidence and studies are used to argue that money, not votes, drives policy?
13:07–41:26
5
Why does Carlheb argue that both inside-system and outside-system actors are necessary for change?
41:26–48:03
6
How did Governor Wes Moore respond to the criticism that voting is ineffective?
48:03–1:03:30
Speakers
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