Chapter 1: What is the premise of the Surrounded podcast?
From Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded, where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers. Hey, listeners, this is John Regalado. We are on the road right now recording brand new episodes of the show with some really amazing featured guests. We can't tell you who they are, but we know you guys are going to love them. And we can't wait for these episodes to come out.
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I'm Mandy Hussle. I'm Dr. Jordan Peterson.
I am Amanda Seals.
Hi, my name is Candace Owens. Hi, I'm Sam Seder. Today, I am surrounded by 20 conservatives. My first claim is Trump's attack on DEI hides his real goal, which is to give corporations more power.
Hi. How are you? Good. How you doing? Okay. When it comes to DEI, essentially, if a person was not racist, he would hire someone regardless, right? So why would we need a policy to protect a person if we've moved past racism? So would you consider yourself racist?
Wait, are you suggesting we've moved past racism?
Would you consider yourself racist?
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Chapter 2: How does Sam Seder challenge conservative views on DEI?
Well, that's your perspective, right? But at the end of the day, if a person... To Sigi Ehrman, we can all agree existed, right? Just listen to this. If you were racist, right, and you were an employer, and if you wanted to absolutely be racist and exercise that, you would. I think DEI sort of prevents people from seeing the reality. If a person truly wanted...
to hire you based on your intellect, based on your skill set, they would. DEI essentially provides tax cuts for the end of the year when you create your tax returns. They give you a tax credit for hiring someone who is black or a person of color. I don't know if you knew that.
In these agencies?
In agencies and private businesses.
In government agencies, they don't get tax cuts for hiring people of color.
This is to protect people from discrimination. The other thing I want to state here is that I've realized that a lot of the times with the liberals is that you guys push for, for example, for DEI and people of Latino or Hispanic descent. A lot of the times what you don't realize is you're actually doing more harm than good.
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Chapter 3: How do the guests define and debate the concept of racism?
by putting them in positions where you make them believe that it's based on the color of their skin. It's based on... DEIA does not... It's based on merit. DEI emphasizes color, skin color, physical attributes.
It says that the people who work in your agency, it's about anti-discrimination.
Discrimination against what?
against people who may have different cultural mores, may have different... But that's irrelevant to a job, right?
It should be based on merit. And that is the emphasis here.
People get hired as merit, but if you're... Not if you get a tax cut. I'm talking about Trump's rescission of these orders on these agencies.
If you received a tax cut as an employer, wouldn't you hire a person of color? Dude, if... If you could pay them less... Listen...
We're talking about government agencies that do not get tax cuts. They don't. Government agencies... They don't. No.
Yes, they do. They absolutely do. I'm talking about... Every private and public sector gets tax cuts when you hire a person of color. Government agencies don't pay taxes.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of DEI policies on hiring practices?
The black community was at its economically strongest while being at its poorest during the segregation era. Prior to 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King, in his last speech, said that we have an annual income of more than $30 billion a year, which is more than all of the exports of Canada and more or more than all of the exports of the United States and more than the national budget of Canada.
That was when we were economically at our poorest. Yet, 85% of our black children were growing up with a father in the home. There was less black on black crime. There was less disenfranchised. Why was there less black on black crime? Because we needed to live together. We had to stick by each other. We had to stick by each other. What was there also less of? I'm not sure where you're leading.
That's a leading question. I don't like those. You don't like this? I don't like leading questions, no. I like direct stuff.
So essentially, when we were living in our own communities, we were also policing our own communities. So we were not being used as statistics in the same way to determine how resources were provided to our own communities. When we were going to the government saying, hey, we deserve, because we are supposed to be separate but equal,
we weren't saying hey we want to be with y'all we were essentially saying we want what you are stating we deserve and that is what all of the efforts of the civil rights movement has been it's literally just been to say you said when we got out of the civil war that we would be considered citizens and all cons all citizens should be getting equal access to these things however you are actively allowing the clan to harm us you are actively who's killed more black people the clan or us
I would like to continue my statement. I let you speak uninterrupted. When we talk about this concept of who is harming us, we are really making a false claim when it comes to black on black crime as if there isn't white on white crime. There's also this unnecessary effort to try and pathologize black on black crime in a way that you don't try to pathologize white on white crime.
There are white people killing each other every single day. Now, they may be on jet skis in the pictures after they shoot up their whole family, but nonetheless, there are white people killing each other every single day. Now, much of the reason why you may see more numbers in terms of black-on-black crime are for two reasons. One, the statistics be lying all the time.
We have seen this... What numbers? Okay, when you say that... We have seen this in a real way.
So in New Jersey... When you say that, what numbers can be trusted? Because with the previous speaker, you said... I'm about to tell you right now.
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Chapter 5: What arguments does Candace Owens present about motherhood?
And plenty of Christians don't like that because they clearly see that you don't really like want to be associated with Christianity.
I can imagine that I was in a situation where the best I could do as a consequence of my previous mistakes was to tell the least amount of lie I could manage. But that would likely indicate that I had made all sorts of catastrophic errors on my way there.
So you would lie to save someone's life. So again, you do believe it to be true in that circumstance, even though you lied in that scenario.
Not without the context that I put it in. You were not willing to die for it.
You were not willing to let other people die for it. So that's not what you see to be true then, seemingly.
You're doing exactly what I said you were doing at the beginning of the conversation. You're generating an impossible, restricted, hypothetical, with no precursors to back me into a corner.
How is that possible? Is there something contradictory about it? Nice to meet you.
Yeah, nice to meet you too.
My final claim is that Donald Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing. No one. Great. Hello, sir. Welcome back. All right. So I agree that Trump wants to do a cleansing, but not an ethnic one, because that area requires a lot of cleansing. Because when you have a population that was taught from early childhood age to hate Jews, Christians and pagans, you need some serious reeducation.
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Chapter 6: How does the discussion address the impact of feminism on family dynamics?
As a tool for their Islamic expansion. When did the Islamic Republic of Iran, you're Iranian American, I believe. Yes, I am. When was the Islamic Republic of Iran founded? 1979. When was Gaza occupied by Israel? 1967. So can we do the math together? 12 years before the Islamic Republic of Iran existed, Israel was oppressing, occupying, dispossessing the people of Gaza.
So your argument makes no sense. And were there any terrorist organizations at the time? The PLO was considered a terrorist organization by the entire Western world. All right. So what's Hamas there? Hamas did not exist until the 1980s. Exactly.
My point is, after the Islamic Republic came, it became chaotic because the Islamic Republic has started to use the so-called innocent Palestinians for their own ends. So-called innocent Palestinians? You don't think Palestinians are innocent? Not all of them. But what about the 17,000 children who were killed? 17,000 children were killed. Were they not innocent? Who's responsible for that?
Israel. Hamas is responsible. Hamas is responsible for hiding in hospitals and banking tunnels underneath those hospitals. So when children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers, Israeli snipers aren't responsible for that? It's a simple question. Here's the problem.
When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in Gaza in the head, as eyewitness testimony and doctor's testimony proves, that's not the fault of the Israeli snipers. This is the problem, because then you have a problem. The problem is you won't answer the question. I'll ask you a third time. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head, is that not the fault of Israeli snipers?
Well, you got to let me finish. No, you got to answer the question. Fourth time. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head.
We're running out of time.
I need to know what you think about innocent children. Because what you said was pretty outrageous. You said so-called innocent Palestinians. For the fifth time, when Palestinian children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers. Is that not the fault of Israeli snipers? What did those children do? You tell me, did the children deserve to be shot in the head?
You know millions of people are watching you say that justifying the killing of children. They start brainwashing children at a very young age. So you support sniping children in Gaza? Do other people here support sniping children in Gaza? Is that a conservative position now? What if they're wearing a suicide vest? They weren't. But what if they are? They're not though. Dozens of children.
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