Why Binance Wants to Replace Banks for Everyday Payments | Thomas Gregory, Binance

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How did Thomas Gregory introduce Binance’s payments vision and why does it matter?

Thomas Gregory 0:00
I can send you a USDT today, instantly, and you'll receive it within seconds. If I wanted to send you a US dollar, I'm now sending you a swift transaction that may take one to two days. If you get it, it might cost a little bit. It's actually touched four or five banks along the way and so on and so forth. So it's the same concept, right? The borders are being broken down by the whole blockchain industry at this point in time.
Jacquelyn Melinek 0:33
Today's guest is Thomas Gregory, the VP of Payments at Binance. He oversees the payment infrastructure for the world's largest crypto exchange, which connects traditional banking systems into crypto. Thomas, welcome on.
Thomas Gregory 0:45
Hi, Jacqueline. Thanks for having me. Really, really happy to be here.
Jacquelyn Melinek 0:49
Yeah, I'm excited to have you, too. We had CZ on the other week, so it's nice to bring someone else on from Binance and maybe get a different perspective. Very different.
Thomas Gregory 0:57
Now you've put me under pressure.
Jacquelyn Melinek 0:59
Yeah, I know. I know. You've got to live up to it. There we go. But I think maybe to start off, thinking of Binance and a lot of crypto's history, the conversation for exchanges has been centered around trading. And I know that for Binance, you guys kind of want to become like a super financial app and we could get into that. But today, as the industry is kind of entering this new phase with payments in mind, tokenized assets and like this integrated financial services aspect, they're all becoming like primary drivers for adoption. And so. especially from your lens, I'm curious, but from my lens, it feels like payments is becoming like one of the biggest growth opportunities in the industry. So maybe at a high level, like what do you think caused that shift over the past like six to 18 months?
Jacquelyn Melinek 1:43
And what are you really seeing on your end?
Thomas Gregory 1:46
Yeah, I mean, it's a good starting point because the last eight years, 18 months, I think we've seen a real momentum behind crypto, crypto payments. having a utility for crypto in everyday financial services. I think I'm actually quite lucky. I've been in TradFi, Fintech for the last, I was going to say 10 years, probably longer than that of my life. But now, I mean, Binance is talking a lot. Our co-CEOs, Richard and Yi, are talking a lot about us wanting to become a broader financial services provider. Obviously, trading and crypto is in our DNA. That will never change. That's core to the business. But I'm slightly fortunate. I've got the job now. I've got to bring to life what they've been talking about.
Thomas Gregory 2:38
And actually, I think CZ, as our shareholder, has also been talking about it. I think there's been a few catalysts. I think we've seen the emergence of stablecoin payments, and especially in some use cases, cross-border payments, cross-border remittance. And so stablecoins have got more kind of traction in the market. And I think in general, people are understanding this really strong utility for stablecoins, for crypto in the everyday financial services spaces. And there's some huge benefits to users, right? So we now need to deliver the use cases and we need to get those messages across. But we're at the starting point and it's going to be a fun journey ahead.
Jacquelyn Melinek 3:22
Yeah. How do you see the similarity between your past career in the traditional financial world? I know you worked at Barclays as well, among other places, compared to what you're doing day to day now in the crypto sphere.
Thomas Gregory 3:34
So I was in Barclays in around 2009, 2010, and these tiny companies emerged like Adyen, Stripe, Braintree, Square. I think when I first met the guy from Adyen, yeah, there were 16 people in that company when I first met them in 2009. And now look at them. They're one of the largest fintech providers on this planet now. And back then, I think those companies were trying to disrupt, disintermediate payments that was coming from banking. They saw there was a way to do things better, more effectively, more efficiently, better use cases. So I think... I see some similarities now. What we're trying to do is actually bring the next generation of Web3 payments into users' everyday lives.

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