When Debra was 17, she fell in love with a man 30 years older than she who happened to be an Italian prince known throughout Europe for his creatively bohemian lifestyle. They had two sons together, one of whom is my friend Tao Ruspoli (episodes 3 and 115). Debra was generous in sharing some of her incredible life story with me -- but more importantly, in sharing her very clean and unpretentious approach to a life that's rich in pretty much every way possible. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit chrisryan.substack.com/subscribe

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