Daniel Norcross is joined by Jonathan Agnew, Glenn McGrath and former England batter Dawid Malan to review a challenging day in Adelaide with England facing a mammoth Test to keep the Ashes alive. There’s reaction from England assistant coach Marcus Trescothick and Australia spinner Nathan Lyon and a statistical round-up by Andy Zaltzman
Chapter 1: What challenges did England face on the second day of the Test match?
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Cummins runs in, bowls, oh he's caught behind! Joe Root is out, oh look at his face, his expression as he walks off. Pushing at that, I wonder if he needed to have played it.
It's the end of the ashes for me, I guess that's done, it's dusted. Australia, give them the urn.
Right, so the second day of the third Test match sees England with a deficit of 158 with just two wickets left in hand. Is this the day that finally their ashes hopes died? We'll be discussing that, trying to go through the weeds of what has been a very, very irksome day for England fans, but a brilliant day for Australia, whose bowlers have dominated today. They've given absolutely nothing away.
They've been superb. For England, some precious few shining lights. Ben Stokes, the captain, leading the way, still there, unbeaten at the close of play, a very lengthy vigil, 151 balls he's faced for his 45.
With him, Joffre Archer, an unbroken ninth-wicket stand of 45, which you have to say has probably been the brightest spot of the day, and of course, a fairly pugnacious knock from Harry Brook, but also one in which he batted within himself. Before we go to Dawid Milan, who is with us, and
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Chapter 2: How did Ben Stokes perform and what does it mean for England's chances?
Glenn McGrath, Agus, your sort of helicopter view of a day that's just felt flat for England, but brilliant for Australia.
Yeah, it started badly. I thought England with the ball this morning were poor. They let Australia score 45 runs in those last two wickets, which will start cutting and scything his way to another half century. England really should have come out hard. It took them a while to crank up again. I wish that Joffre Archer, Brydon Castle... Look at Mitchell Stark. He's out there, he's warming up.
He bowls properly for at least an over. I mean, full tilt as a warm-up. And so, therefore, he comes in to bowl his first over. But actually, it's his second. He's warmed up and he comes roaring. He bowls a 90 miles an hour first ball. You don't see that from England.
Chapter 3: What were the standout performances from Australia during the match?
And Archer's first ball today was 83. It's just getting out there and really getting stuck in from the word go. So that was disappointing from England's perspective. If they'd gone bang, bang, knocked them over and gone out there, you just feel slightly different about the day that's ahead. So that was a poor start.
I think when looking at the way that England batted, you have to acknowledge that they have tried, they've really tried to bat in the way that people have been asking them to play. Whether that's been a good thing because of what it's done to them, their mental state, and they're being tentative perhaps, but they've largely fallen to good bowling.
And I think Australia's bowling today was outstanding. Crawley got a good ball for nine, Duckett turned. Ollie Pope, I feel really sad about that dismissal because I was talking to him at the end just now. He can bat, he can play. I've seen him score some wonderful hundreds. Why has he been reduced to that sort of shot play?
Something's gone wrong somewhere with his development, with his coaching, with the environment, whatever it is. He's a better player than flicking Nathan Lyon just back in the side, straight to mid-wicket for three and walking off.
Chapter 4: What strategies did England attempt in their batting approach?
And then it just opens the doors, doesn't it? Because Duckett got one in the same over that turned a bit. You can't do that at number three. You can't, and unless he scores something remarkable in second innings, I think that will be it, certainly for the wild Rolly Pope. They'll have to make a change, and I don't know how good Jacob Bethel is.
No one does, really, because he's hardly paid any cricket. But he's here as a replacement, and I just think that if England lose here, they'll have to make a change. And that's a real shame. Root a good ball. I really like the way that Harry Brook batted. Again, you touched on it there, but he played much more in a way
uh that people have been asking him to play yes he played a wonderful stroke over extra cover for six off one of the quicker bowlers but it but it wasn't the flailing mad swiping sort of a shot that we've seen him play up to now this is a beautiful controlled shot because he's a great player and he can bat you know he plays a shot like that that was
It was virtually chance-less, the way that he played it, but incredibly skilful. More of that, please, Harry, going forwards, because you're giving yourself much more of a chance. 45 from 63 balls, that's a perfectly decent scoring rate.
Chapter 5: How did Nathan Lyon's bowling impact the game?
There we talk about Snicko, of course, but I think that's largely...
largely irrelevant I think today's main story is that Australia's bowling was outstanding and England have just not been able to live up to that that constant probing and I said before yesterday I have no idea how many times I used the word cut and again this morning when England were bowling I don't think I said it once when Australia were bowling that's the difference in the length that the two teams have bowled well just to tidy up that Australia added 45 runs their overnight 326 and they did it with
nine or ten fours it was horrible to watch really Archer's first over was pretty slothful and then Carr's started instead of Josh Tung which none of us could understand Archer it was who took the two wickets, though, to end with 5 for 53. And he did bowl splendidly throughout, really, apart from that first over. Today, 5 for 53 of 20.2 overs.
The standout bowler, the damage had really been done yesterday when Australia were allowed to get away. And those would have felt like bonus runs, perhaps, for Australia. But when England went out to bat, there was a real sense, as that opening partnership got off to it,
a good start 37 in next to no time that the pitch was flat the day was boiling hot Dawood Milan is with us and it felt like a beautiful day to bat but it didn't turn out that way for England what was it still a beautiful day to bat and a beautiful pitch but just Australia were too good
I think it was. I think if you're batting on day two at Adelaide, it tends to be a little bit of a turn at Adelaide. But generally later in the game, you have everything in your favour. Hot day, Pat Cummins just coming back from a long injury layoff. So you have a lot going in your favour.
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Chapter 6: What insights did the assistant coach Marcus Trescothick provide?
And I think England would be extremely disappointed to have finished the day as they did.
I mean, England found, I say England, they found a pretty good tempo up front, but then they lost those three wickets for five runs. And you'd have to say it's not the driving on the up anymore. It's not the cross-batted swish that Zach Crawley got out to when he was in the 70s at Brisbane. It was really good bowling from Pat Cummins, who's come back into the side. He's not had any preparation.
He's not had any warm-up games, but he hit his straps immediately. Got one to nibble. It took Zach Crawley's outside edge. But Oli Pope, I've got to ask you, Darren, Aggers has just alluded to it there. Is this the day the Pope died? Is that it?
Well, I think he's got an uphill battle there in front of him, Oli Pope. He's had a lot of chances. He's been back for a hell of a long time.
Chapter 7: What statistical highlights emerged from the day's play?
And he has, in that time, played some exceptional innings. He has scored some phenomenal hundreds for England that everyone has looked at and gone, there is the player that you are.
unfortunately he's not done it consistently enough in between and I think if you look at the shot today he'd be the most disappointed with that it's a good wicket as we said earlier good day to bat and he's just gifted Nathan Lyon just the simplest of dismissals and when you're playing test cricket you know you're going to be facing the best bowlers you're going to be under pressure and scrutiny and you're going to be
getting good balls in your career. And the last thing you want to do is just to be gifting an off-spin as such a simple wicket as that. And especially in a crucial time in the game, you've just lost a wicket before and then suddenly you're giving momentum back to Australians. And as you said, Ben Duckett loses his wicket and that's over as well.
And suddenly you go from a really strong position to three down and you're facing the hardest battle you can.
I mean, what was so sad about it, it seemed to me, was that you could see his struggles. It wasn't just that ball in isolation. He played a very confused shot of a ball from Pat Cummins, where the bat was just in no way... It wasn't in the right place to play the ball.
Bottom hand had sort of scrunched his bat round at a weird angle, a bit like how he got out to start when he dragged on at Brisbane. And after the first innings he played at Perth, when everything looked fine, he was still, his leaves were proper and controlled.
He then got out LBW and he seems to do this thing, David, where he fixates over the dismissal that he's had and then sort of tries to play the, if you like, the battle before, thinking too much about how he got out before. I mean, how did you read it?
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Chapter 8: What are the expectations for England moving forward in the series?
It was a skittish, back to the skittish Pope rather than the calm Pope.
It was, and there's been a lot of criticism over the way he starts in the past, and it's justifiably so when you watch how he goes about it. It almost looks to me as if he's so desperate to score runs and he's trying so hard to get himself a start that he's just hanging, he's battered everything, and he's too frantic in the way he wants to go about scoring.
Batting is about finding your tempo, so not a tempo that anyone else thinks you should be batting at, but you should find the tempo that works for you, how your feet move, how you want to score, where you want to look to score, what your game plan is.
And to me, it looks like he goes out every innings and it's just, I want to try and feel bad on ball and I'm going to try and get off to a good start. I'm going to try and get to 10 or 15 or 20, whatever his number is, and then sort of settle into my innings. But as you said, at Perth, he seemed composed. He left well. Since he chopped on at Brisbane, he doesn't look like he's left well at all.
It looks like he's trying to score off every ball, which is fine. The intent to score has to be there. You have to always look to score. But in Australia, if you leave really well, you have more chance of scoring runs.
The other part of this is, and I'm slightly baffled about the way England then batted afterwards, I say baffled, I want to ask you how easy it would be
the players to change their approach because stokes made it very clear didn't he in that second innings at brisbane that he wanted people to dig in he and jacks just put up some fight and he did it again today almost by setting by example and harry brooke i thought found that right tempo didn't he he got it just as agus said you know 40 45 or 63 it's that's
absolutely fine but at the same time he was rating himself in a touch he wasn't scoring boundaries in the way normally would do you think that it's quite difficult for a side to take a different approach from the one that they've been really harking on about for the last three years and then put it into practice in a pressure situation when all of the ashes is on the line?
I think it's incredibly tricky. I think this whole team has been built around being positive, being taking a game on, being pushing the limits. I think we've been fed that by them. I think we've all been sucked in by it. We've all enjoyed watching it.
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