In this week’s episode, we follow Kate’s journey and the moments from childhood that shaped her into the woman she is today. From secretly dreaming of attending the Berklee College of Music to navigating life’s toughest heartbreaks, this episode gives us a greater understanding of why Kate is guarded. Mandy, Chris, and Sterling discuss how parents provide more than just physical shelter—they shape emotional security, too. Plus, we unpack Ka-Toby’s heartbreaking miscarriage, how they process grief in entirely different ways, and the powerful wisdom Rebecca shares with Kate about truly feeling her pain before it consumes her. That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. Follow That Was Us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Threads, and X! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
On today's episode of That Was Us, we will be discussing season two, episode nine, number two. Kate and Toby experience a sudden change in their lives trajectories, and Rebecca is supportive of Kate's aspirations to become a singer.
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Happy to be here, sir. Thank you for having me. What an honor.
We are in a, my guests.
In the hot seat over there, it feels like.
Today is Sterling K. Brown.
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Chapter 2: How does Kate's childhood influence her aspirations?
Yeah.
The delayed joy. Sure. Because we as actors have learned to kick the can down the road where it's like, I'm not going to get too excited. Right. I've heard it being considered. Okay, I have a callback. I'm not going to get too excited. Okay. Oh, I got the part. Okay, I'm not going to get too excited. Not until I'm on set. When I'm on set. Let me sign this contract. When I'm on set, I'll be excited.
Sure. Okay.
When it comes out and we see if people even like it.
When it comes out, when it comes out. Okay. Okay. If we get another season, I'll be excited. Next thing you know, six seasons have gone by and you haven't enjoyed any of it. Yeah. Because you've been waiting to be excited about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's something to it, but I'm wondering like in terms of like when your mom is known for something.
Sure.
Right. And you have a passion for that same thing. Like, do you keep it close or do you...
open yourself up to that and different people make different choices right yeah i mean clearly yeah makes one to sort of keep it to herself right then you wind up sort of at the football game then let me know if i'm missing anything in between i don't think so you guys are at the game and very sweetly just hand her 50 dollars and you're like for your application fee and she's like you went through my stuff and she's like look
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Chapter 3: What emotional challenges do Kate and Toby face?
Yeah.
And she's like, no, I'm going to go do my thing. Wait.
Hold on. You guys have to have the... Wait. Yeah, you're skipping over the... Three little vitamins.
Jump.
Buddy. Yeah. Wait.
Wait, what did I miss? Well, just the fact of her suffering the miscarriage. Oh, she has not had it. Yeah.
She hadn't had it. I forgot. We can cut all that out.
Yeah.
And cut out my misstep.
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Chapter 4: How do Kate and Toby process grief differently?
But it sort of sets the table for what we were talking about earlier, them having it out. And you should take this because you kind of went through the whole thing. Talk to me about this scene.
as we talked about or or we'll talk about with chrissy fights fights between toby and kate were hard for yeah chris and chris yeah uncomfortable let's and because because there's no distinction for chrissy almost you know like yeah when she feels it it it's amazing yeah and so when i get to saying hurtful things. Yeah. And I see it being so effective. It's very painful. Yeah.
And, and this particular conversation was also like, you were talking about that tricky balance of, of, uh, I need to express myself here. Yeah. But I also know that you've been through a lot in the last 12 hours.
Yeah.
We've had, I, I had had little moments, uh, on, on the show that, that had switches, but this was, this episode was like a big, dramatic kind of turn for Toby, as far as like, no, no, no, this is where I stand. This is who I am. And it's not all levity.
Yeah, it's not all Hootie and the Blowfish dancing around the coffee shop.
You have moments like that throughout. I think this is one of the strongest ones. Toby has this ability to articulate what he's feeling in the moment that I think most of us, as grown-ass people, hope to be able to achieve. Yeah, the writers gave him that. Yes, because this is the moment, again, when she circles down, you're acting like we went through something. It was my body.
Kate says, this is something that I went through. And you're like, look, I recognize it was your body. and I recognize this, but like to say that I wasn't a part of this, that something didn't, I'm feeling sad too. So whether or not it happened to my body, like you have to be okay with me being sad too and that I cared and I continue to care. We'll be right back with more, That Was Us.
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