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Ep. 2347 - Democrats: ICE Is Just Like The Ayatollahs

15 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What triggered the recent riots involving ICE in Minneapolis?

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Another shooting by an ICE agent in Minneapolis touches off actual violent riots in Minneapolis. We'll get into all of that, plus the latest in Iran and Venezuela. First, the wait is almost over. Episodes one and two of the Pendragon cycle, Rise of the Merlin, begins streaming on DailyWare Plus in one week.

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Join right now at dailywire.com slash Pendragon. A second shooting by ICE of somebody who actually attacked an ICE officer has now broken into the news. Last night, there was violence against the police. There were some riots in Minneapolis.

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This all started, according to the New York Times, when a federal agent shot an injured man in Minneapolis on Wednesday evening, according to federal officials, an incident that touched off hours of clashes between protesters and law enforcement officers and came just one week after an immigration agent killed a woman in the city. Now, of course, that is typical New York Times coverage.

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The agent shot the woman after she attempted to drive her car at him, or at least he perceived that as the case. Tricia McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for the DHS, of course, is on the show just a couple of days ago, said in a statement that federal agents were trying to arrest a man from Venezuela, who was in the country illegally in a targeted traffic stop around 6.50 p.m.

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Apparently, he fled from agents when the officer caught up to him. According to McLaughlin, he began to resist and violently assault the officer, and two people came out of a nearby building and, along with the man who was being sought, attacked the officer with a snow shovel and a broom handle. Well, I mean, you do that, you're going to get shot. That's just the way that law enforcement works.

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Attack an officer with a weapon, you will be shot. The officer feared for his life and fired shots, striking the man whom agents were seeking in the leg. The agent and the man who were shot were in the hospital, according to McLaughlin. The other two people she accused of attacking the agent were apparently in custody already.

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The city suggested that the person shot had non-life-threatening injuries. Here's Fox News reporting on the situation last night.

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ICE was going after a Venezuelan illegal alien who had been caught and released at the border by the Biden administration in 2022. That person crashed a car, crashed into a parked car, got out and fled. ICE was chasing him down. And then while they were wrestling on the ground, two people came out of a nearby apartment and then started attacking the ICE officer with shovels.

Chapter 2: How did the Minneapolis police respond to the ICE shooting incident?

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What Donald Trump wants is violence in the streets, but Minnesota will remain an island of decency, of justice, of community and of peace. Don't give him what he wants. So he's saying don't get violent, but he's kind of winking and nodding at the violence. He actually put out a TV statement that essentially urged on the protesters. Here's what it sounded like.

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188.795 - 206.213 Ilhan Omar

Let's be very, very clear. This long ago stopped being a matter of immigration enforcement. Instead, it's a campaign of organized brutality against the people of Minnesota by our own federal government. Last week, that campaign claimed the life of Renee Nicole Good. We've all watched the video.

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We've all seen what happened, and yet instead of conducting an impartial investigation so we can hold accountable the officer responsible for Renee's death, the Trump administration is devoting the full power of the federal government to finding an excuse to attack the victim and her family. So tonight, let me say once again to Donald Trump and Kristi Noem, end this occupation.

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230.494 - 256.76 Ilhan Omar

You've done enough. Let me say four critical things to the people of Minnesota. Four things I want you to hear as you watch the news and look out for your neighbors. First, Donald Trump wants this chaos. He wants confusion. And yes, he wants more violence on our streets. We cannot give him what he wants. We can, we must protest loudly, urgently, but also peacefully.

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257.462 - 277.283 Ilhan Omar

Indeed, as hard as we will fight in the courts and at the ballot box, we cannot and will not let violence prevail. You're angry, I'm angry. Angry is not a strong enough word, but we must remain peaceful. Second, you are not powerless, you are not helpless, and you are certainly not alone.

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All across Minnesota, people are learning about opportunities, not just to resist, but to help people who are in danger. Thousands upon thousands of our fellow Minnesotans are going to be relying on mutual aid in the days and weeks to come, and they need our support. Tonight I want to share another way you can help. Witness.

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Help us establish a record of exactly what's happening in our communities. You have an absolute right to peacefully film ICE agents as they conduct these activities. So carry your phone with you at all times. And if you see these ICE agents in your neighborhood, take out that phone and hit record.

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help us create a database of the atrocities against Minnesotans, not just to establish a record for posterity, but to bank evidence for future prosecution.

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Minneapolis then put out a statement demanding that ICE leave the city. I should put it clearly here. There is no power in Minneapolis for them to eject ICE agents from the city. That is not how federal law enforcement works. You cannot just tell federal agents enforcing federal law to leave the city.

Chapter 3: What comparisons are being made between ICE and Iranian forces?

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Protests continued on Wednesday after the latest shooting with demonstrators using horns and whistles and officers deploying tear gas and pepper balls. There were at least 100 people at the scene where officers were dispersing pepper spray, throwing pepper balls, using flashbangs as rioters tossed items at the agents.

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Demonstrators were yelling at ICE to leave the city and holding signs with phrases like F-ICE. The Minneapolis police chief, Brian O'Hara, said the crowd was committing unlawful acts, including throwing fireworks at the officers and urged people to leave immediately. And we do have some tape of Minneapolis rioters looting a gun locker from an ICE vehicle.

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They apparently were able to break into an ICE vehicle and they got into the gun locker that's in the trunk of the vehicle. Here's what that looked like. So things are going well in Minneapolis.

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And of course, this has been pressed forward by a Democratic Party, which insists, insists that basic law enforcement action against illegal immigrants, particularly criminal illegal immigrants, is some form of violation of the American compact that puts you apparently in league with with like the Iranian Ayatollahs in terms of your tyranny.

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That is a case that is currently being made by the chair of the Democratic National Committee, which is nuts. That is nuts. So he did an interview with the Wall Street Journal. And in this interview, he said, essentially, that the Trump administration is similar to Tehran, to the Ayatollahs in Iran.

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On social media, he wrote, quote, from Tehran to my birthplace in Minneapolis, people are rising up against systems that wield violence without accountability. Solidarity across borders means opposing authoritarian power everywhere and defending the right to live free from fear and state violence. By the way, tremendous irony in the leader of the DNC.

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a party that has treated Hamas, Hezbollah, all the various terror arms of Iran as some sort of half political organization, treated the Iranian government as a quasi-innocent in the region, now citing Iran as the repressive power to compare to President Trump, the president who actually struck Iran back in June of last year, blowing up their nuclear facility at Fordow.

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Also amazing to just compare, you know, the Ayatollahs who are legitimately shooting people in the streets. We'll get to that in a bit. Probably have shot thousands of people to death in the streets with ICE agents going out and enforcing criminal law who are obstructed by benighted people, misguided people, and then bad incidents ensue. He wrote, quote, if comparing the U.S.

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to Iran makes you angry, ask why. Killing protesters, killing protesters. The Trump administration is not unleashing ice to mass shoot protesters. That's insane. That's psychotic. And it's disgusting, by the way. Ken Martin comparing, again, the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, unleashing live fire on protesters en masse.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of the Democratic Party's stance on law enforcement?

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In any case, Peter Baker did the same thing.

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767.658 - 787.703 Ken Martin

People are watching this split-screen situation of mass protests in Tehran and mass protests in Minneapolis. And, of course, they're looking to see how a president handles each of them. And while you really can't compare the substance of these two very important issues happening in different parts of the planet, you can, I think, look at the rule of thumb that Donald Trump brings to it.

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787.723 - 802.099 Ken Martin

And I think the rule of thumb is pretty simple. If you're protesting against a regime he disfavors, he opposes, then you're heroes. If you're protesting him or his policies, then you're illegitimate, you're radicals, you're radical left lunatics.

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Well, I mean, yes, if you if you protest, that's ridiculous. If you are protesting the Ayatollah's regime, you know, the one where they murder you if you protest, the one where women are forced to wear hijab, the one where they spread terrorism all over the region while impoverishing their people to the tune of no water or power in their capital.

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They're talking about literally emptying out their entire capital just a couple of months ago. I don't see how that is comparable to you looting gun lockers in ICE vehicles in Minneapolis. Why do Democrats, why does the left have to embrace this equivalence? By the way, they would not even embrace, as I say, the reverse equivalence.

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The truth is that they make excuses on a consistent basis for some of the worst people in the Middle East and rip into governments that attempt to fight those people in the Middle East.

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There's been significantly more ire from the mainstream media at Israel for its action in the Gaza Strip, targeted action against a terrorist group hiding behind civilians than there has been against the Iranian government thus far.

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Meanwhile, Ilhan Omar, she's out there saying that Renee Good died, not because she was involved in an altercation with law enforcement, in which apparently there are reports that the officer who was hit by her car, and he was hit by her car, actually suffered some internal bleeding. Here she was saying that she died because she chose love and solidarity over fear.

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That's weird because, you know, I think that a vast majority of Americans every single day choose love and solidarity over fear and don't die in altercations with ICE officers after hitting the gas and hitting the officer with the bumper of their car after obstructing ICE operations for three minutes. The enemy of good sense is the failure to just speak basic truth.

Chapter 5: How is the situation in Venezuela impacting U.S. foreign policy?

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And also, again, do like white people from a wide variety of countries have anything to do with this? How do we stack this up? Do we have to have rankings? Do we have to have like NCAA rankings of the importance of various races in building the country? Is that the way we're supposed to do this? Apparently so, according to Pramila Jayapal.

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the majority of Americans across the country, regardless of political party, know that immigrants from all over the world, Somalia, India, wherever they're from, Latin America, Africa, that immigrants have built this country and make this country what it is today.

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these like broad statements, immigrants have built this country, like which ones? And there's some immigrants who have built the country for sure. And there are some immigrants who are really terrible for the country.

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And promoting the idea that there is this thing called immigrants, just a class, like a giant class of immigrants, and that all immigrants are of equal merit in entering the United States is stupid. It is baseline idiocy. It is a category that is far too broad. It is both over-inclusive and under-inclusive. It's over inclusive in the sense that it includes a lot of people who shouldn't be here.

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And it's under inclusive in the sense that a lot of the people she thinks of as immigrants are actually American citizens who are children of immigrants. But again, this is all part of a broader agenda, which is just don't enforce immigration law. Senator Chris Van Hollen, a truly dunderheaded senator from Maryland, was out there doing an ice out rally, meaning just ice should be defunded.

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suggesting that the United States government should simply take away the money from ICE. So I guess no interior immigration enforcement.

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These are people like Kristi Noem. Directed by people like Stephen Miller. People like J.D. Vance, who was lying through his teeth the other day. And of course, headed by the liar in chief, the lawbreaker in chief, Donald Trump. So we are here to say not one more dime for Donald Trump's ICE operations.

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Now, there's only one problem. The ICE operations that are currently being pursued are very, very similar, in fact, to some of the ICE operations that were pursued during the Obama administration. This is a point that's being made by Todd Lyons. He's the director of ICE. Here he was yesterday.

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You know, ICE is doing our same law enforcement mission. We're doing everything the same, if not better than we did back in then. Again, firsthand experience. But unfortunately, there is just such a hatred for President Trump right now that it's blocking the views of what law enforcement is doing, and it's really putting a target on ICE.

Chapter 6: What role does China play in the geopolitical landscape regarding Venezuela?

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This argument is just entirely fake for two reasons. One, in the Obama administration, they counted being turned away at the border as a deportation. A person would show up, be sent back and counted as a deportation. We have to do deportations from the interior of the country because Biden and Harris let them walk in.

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Two, in the cities that are not sanctuary cities, the deportation process is orderly and normal, like most law enforcement. In Minneapolis and a few other sanctuary jurisdictions, local jurisdictions and a few left-wing agitators have decided to wage war on all immigration enforcement officers. They are hoping a little chaos will convince us to give up on immigration enforcement. They are wrong.

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That is correct. Well, in any case, if this sort of violence continues in Minneapolis, the president has now said that he will invoke the Insurrection Act.

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He put out a statement on Truth Social earlier this morning, quote, If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of ICE or only trying to do their job, I will institute the Insurrection Act, which many presidents have done before me, and quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great state.

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Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Trump. Now, again, if there are riots and if the local authorities not only refuse to quell that, but they're actually seeming to facilitate it, then this is a completely legitimate use of the Insurrection Act to put down.

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Again, the language that Walls is using right here, and it has been using for days, the language used by Jacob Fry, ice out, we're going to obstruct the procedures of the federal government. I mean, that's a pretty good time to invoke the Insurrection Act to protect your agents in doing what they need to do.

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This is, by the way, having a large scale impact on immigration to the United States generally. It turns out that net migration is probably negative at this point in time, according to the Brookings Institute, meaning that fewer people are attempting to cross the border, both legally and illegally. So more people are now leaving than people who are coming in Because out-migration is so high.

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So you still have relatively high levels of in-migration, but you also have very high levels of out-migration at this point. And net-net, it seems as though there are more people leaving than coming in at this point. Some of that is ICE removals. Some of it is voluntary exits. And some of it is sort of normal out-migration, just people who decided to go home. The U.S.

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is also freezing visa processing for some 75 countries, including Somalia, Russia and Iran. That is according to Fox News. A State Department memo, seen first by Fox News Digital, directs consular officers to refuse visas under existing law while the department reassesses screening and vetting procedures.

Chapter 7: What recent developments have occurred in Iran amidst protests?

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We've been told that the killing in Iran is stopping. It's stopped. It's stopping. And there's no plan for executions or an execution or executions. So I've been told that a good authority will find out about it. I'm sure if it happens, we'll all be very upset.

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And well, he also discussed the possibility of military action yesterday. He declined to say who offered those assurances. He added that There were supposed to be a lot of executions. The executions had been postponed. Now, we're hearing a lot of mixed reports.

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Some of the reports suggest that the killing has stopped, but one of the reasons the killing has stopped, apparently, is because the Iranian government has put tanks and troops in the streets, and if you walk outside, they will just shoot you, which is one reason why people are not out in the streets. So that is not the Iranian government going weapons down against their protesters.

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It is them going full-on weapons up against their protesters and threatening that if you put your foot on the street, you will die. which is not precisely, I think, what the president was trying to achieve when he wanted the shooting to stop. And unclear at this point what the president's intent is with regard to action against Iran.

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And of course, any action has to be carefully calibrated to achieve its desired result. There was a report yesterday, I believe from the Washington Post, talking about the president saying that if there are strikes available, they should obviously have maximum impact, meaning possibly the decapitation of the regime.

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That he doesn't want to do a sort of pinprick Obama style strike, hit a camel in the ass and walk away. And with that said, if nothing is done, then obviously the president's red line has been crossed pretty much willy nilly by the Iranians. Remember that the president did say last week before the shooting began that if the Iranians were to shoot people en masse, then it would necessitate action.

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And then they did. Possibly over 10,000 people. We still don't know the full numbers. We know at least thousands of people. The question is how many thousands of people? Iran temporarily postponed some public executions because they don't want the president taking action.

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There was news yesterday that non-essential troops had been moved away from Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, presumably as a way to shield them from possible Iranian retaliation. And then they were stood down and a lot of those soldiers ended up back on the Al Udeid air base. So in other words, there's a lot going on right now. We actually don't know what is going on.

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We don't know what options are on the table. There's supposed to be apparently a meeting of the United Nations Security Council called by the United States on Iran. Totally useless, by the way. Totally useless. If this is a substitute for some sort of concerted action, I don't see it.

Chapter 8: How does the episode conclude regarding the U.S. approach to international conflicts?

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They're one of the most oil and natural gas-rich regions on planet Earth, and they're not concerned about, say, green environmentalist issues. Absolute nuttiness. Abbas Arahi denied on Fox News that Iran intended to execute the protesters. He said, hanging is out of the question.

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Again, if you believe the Iranian regime about pretty much anything, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you since they have not held to any commitment that they have ever made But, you know, we'll see where things go from here. And we will see if any sort of if what the Iranian government said was happening was happening, meaning it's all calm and peaceful. Everybody went home.

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Nobody is worried about what's going on in Iran anymore. You would imagine they would turn the Internet back on. Pretty good indicator that we are not being told the full truth by the Iranian government when the Internet remains off. Meanwhile, while conflict engulfs the Middle East, Venezuela continues to be an interesting development.

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The president of the United States put out a statement yesterday via Truth Social about a conversation he held with the current dictator of Venezuela, Delcio Rodriguez. And she is the current dictator of Venezuela. She's not a democratically elected leader. She is, of course, aligned with Nicolás Maduro.

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The question is whether there is a plan to basically squeeze her such that the United States is able to eventually achieve elections in Venezuela, along with the economic transition that would be necessary. The president put out a statement, quote, This morning, I had a very good call with the interim president of Venezuela, Delce Rodriguez.

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We're making tremendous progress as we help Venezuela stabilize and recover. Many topics were discussed, including oil minerals trade and, of course, national security. This partnership between the United States of America and Venezuela will be spectacular for all. Venezuela will soon be great and prosperous again, perhaps more so than even before.

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There are reports today that when it comes to Venezuela, the United States may be attempting to use private contractors in order to secure a lot of the oil facilities that would actually be necessary. in order to ensure economic security there.

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According to CNN, the Trump administration is preparing to use private military contractors to protect oil and energy assets in Venezuela rather than deploying U.S. troops, according to two sources familiar with the plans, setting up a potential boon for security firms with experience in the region and ties to the administration. While President Trump has not ruled out a possible U.S.

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military presence in Venezuela, sources close to the president say he's wary of putting American boots on the ground for an extended period of time. Not a shock there. The president does not like the idea of gigantic numbers of American troops on the ground in places like Venezuela. And using contractors here is a pretty interesting workaround.

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