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Friendly Fire: ICE. Ice. (And The Oscars) Baby.

29 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What controversial comparison did Tim Walz make about ICE officers?

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Chapter 2: What insights did Jennie Taer share from her ICE ride along?

183.821 - 195.733 Ben Shapiro

Don't take your guns to town, Bill. Leave your guns at home. When I listen to Michael Moles sing Johnny Cash, it makes me think of my own mortality. This could be the whole show. It's just puns. I'm in a bad mood. Should not have been nominated, by the way.

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195.713 - 201.33 Matt Walsh

Here we go. You know what? That is the most offensive thing you have said in this entire episode. Yeah, save it.

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201.39 - 230.845 Unknown

Save it for the show. Three days ago, Tim Walz compared the ICE officers to Nazis. And then yesterday, he collaborated with them. So I guess Tim Walz is now a Nazi collaborator. It's very unclear what's going on between Washington and Minnesota right now. We will get into it. We will get into all of the Oscar movies that you haven't seen.

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231.306 - 257.042 Unknown

We haven't seen them either, but we have very, very strong opinions. This is Friendly Fire. Guys, do you know what that is called? That's called a cold open. And I can tell you, speaking from Nashville, it's a very cold open here. It's real chilly, hence my sweater. Matt, you're always kind of lumberjacking, wearing all of your flannel, et cetera. But Drew, Ben, you're in relative warmth.

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257.062 - 271.108 Michael Knowles

No, no, no. Wait, it snowed here. I'm close to D.C., and we had enough snow that I had to go out twice to and shovel my walks, and now my entire body hurts, and I have a cold. So I think that's my contribution to the weather.

271.168 - 273.112 Unknown

Are you still corporeal, or is it just a ghost?

273.693 - 274.574 Michael Knowles

What's that?

274.594 - 277.54 Unknown

Is that the ghost of Drew, or is that real physical Drew?

277.68 - 281.087 Michael Knowles

By the time the show is over, I will be transparent.

Chapter 3: How are protests affecting ICE operations in Minneapolis?

321.538 - 330.634 Unknown

I'm feeling I'm feeling good. I think I might do the show from here forever. Did you, Matt, have you survived the snowpocalypse? I'm in my element, man.

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330.714 - 339.784 Andrew Klavan

Cold, dark, no one around, no one can access me. I love this. I would do this all year round.

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339.804 - 350.597 Unknown

One question I have, I know with the power going out in a lot of places, some people are trying to figure out things to do. Have you guys been sitting around with your family playing the new Pendragon board game?

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352.038 - 357.885 Michael Knowles

Yes. If you would send me a Pendragon board game, I would actually play the Pendragon board game.

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358.338 - 373.016 Unknown

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373.357 - 391.281 Unknown

It's even getting rave reviews on the internet from people who don't like The Daily Wire, people who probably hate conservatives, all over the place. I'm never gratified to look at Twitter because it's just a cesspool of villainy and scum, but Actually, people really seem to love Pendragon because it's a great story.

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It's getting rave reviews from everybody all over the Internet, people who love The Daily Wire, people who hate The Daily Wire, people who probably hate conservatives. They love it. The only way that you can watch it is to become a Daily Wire Plus member, and this is what you're going to get.

405.007 - 420.891 Matt Walsh

What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God? Is that who you think I was alone with? There is a new pirate work in the world. I've seen it. A god who sacrifices what he loves for us. I learned of Yezu the Christ. And I have become his follower. Trust in Yezu.

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Great light. Great darkness. Such things mattered to me then.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of sanctuary city policies on law enforcement?

481.079 - 497.687 Michael Knowles

I don't mean to be cruel. It's tragic the guy was killed, but so what? Let's say you examine this film from every possible angle, and it turns out the ICE agent was in the wrong. Does that mean we shouldn't deport people who are here illegally? I mean, they're here illegally. ICE is there to get rid of people who are here illegally.

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497.927 - 504.057 Michael Knowles

No one is above the law, as we know, because they were charging Trump with littering and sending him away for...

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504.037 - 526.281 Michael Knowles

planning to send him away for life so what difference does it make i mean let's let's say it was a bad shooting they're just enforcing the law why are these people who are organized by marxist you know uh thugs all around the country and taking like nine counties out of all the counties in america and turning them into battle zones why why are they justified by a bad shooting and i don't think there's also a question i'm not saying it wasn't shooting but even if it was who cares

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526.615 - 548.109 Unknown

On your point, Drew, so was it a bad shooting? Because there's all this stuff and a lot of misinformation going around the internet. One of the questions was, well, maybe he had been disarmed before the ICE agent shot. But even in that case, would it necessarily have been an unjustified shooting? Only one of us went to Harvard Law School. I'm loathe to turn to him for an answer on this.

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548.189 - 552.355 Unknown

But Ben, is there any – does that mean it's a bad shooting? The cop's got to go to jail or something?

552.435 - 567.299 Ben Shapiro

I mean, so not necessarily. Not necessarily. So the basic legal standard is the same in all of these cases, which is, does a reasonable officer believe that he's an eminent threat of grave physical harm? And so the question becomes, did the officer who shot him know that he had been disarmed? Because there's this kind of scrum.

567.419 - 580.909 Ben Shapiro

And then you can see that the gun appears to be removed by one of the agents, but not the agent who shot him. And then somebody yells gun and there may in fact be an accidental gunshot, an accidental discharge from Preddy's gun by the officer or the gun just went off.

581.17 - 598.049 Ben Shapiro

So if you're an officer and you're standing there and you hear someone yell gun and then a shot goes off and you don't know that the gun has been removed from the guy. then you absolutely could fear for your life. You could fear imminent threat of grave physical harm. And so the shoot could absolutely be good. That's typically why you have full investigations under these circumstances.

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As to Drew's question as to why this shapes the underlying sort of policy, the answer is that it doesn't, but this has been a chaos operation from the beginning for Democrats in an attempt to obstruct federal law. I mean, that's really what this is. This has been driven by Democrats from the very start. The idea is that enforcement of federal law is some sort of grave sin.

Chapter 5: What are the main themes of the Oscar-nominated movies discussed?

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He isn't all that pretty. MSNBC – changed his picture. They ran with an AI generated picture to make him look like a supermodel or something. And they did it completely straight faced. And what it made me think is, look, maybe it was some editor didn't know what he was doing. Maybe it was intentional for some bizarro reason.

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But it made me think, look, when the MSM, the establishment media, put these images on TV, they're obviously working in concert with the Democrats who are trying to cause chaos, who are trying to undermine law enforcement. And so I'm always skeptical of that. I would say you can't really believe anything on the establishment media. Now, I can't I literally can't believe the pictures.

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736.222 - 743.175 Unknown

They are running a different picture, even of the guy who is at the center of this case. This to me seems like something actually has changed.

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743.155 - 760.536 Michael Knowles

And to Ben's point about ugly pictures, I've worked with police a lot as a reporter, and it takes a lot of cops to bring a person down without just killing him. Most cops, if they want to take you down, they can do it single-handedly, but they're going to break your legs. They swarm people in order to keep them from being hurt.

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760.896 - 777.827 Michael Knowles

And this guy, once you shout gun, I've seen this with my own eyes a number of times. Once somebody shouts gun, everything is different. You know, everything is like, I do not, this, we cops do not want to go home with a bullet in their head. You know, they don't want to go back to their wife and say, sorry, honey, I'm dead, you know, because I didn't react fast enough.

777.847 - 797.144 Michael Knowles

And when they take these videos and they look at them frame by frame, it drives me crazy because they didn't happen frame by frame. They happened all at once. And we can we can hold our police to high standards, but we can't hold them to robotic standards where they could see everything in slow motion. The whole thing is, to me, you know, as you say, it's a chaos operation.

797.405 - 811.067 Michael Knowles

We already know that George Floyd, a drug addicted thug, you know, who's elevated to the point of being a saint. by the media. And then we were told that the riots that came out of his were mostly peaceful. We already know it's all lies. You know, we know it's all lies.

811.147 - 820.899 Michael Knowles

And if in this case, the cop was in the wrong, if he did something wrong, that's one thing, but it has nothing to do with the overall story, which is these guys came in 20 million strong. They all have to go.

821.039 - 840.955 Andrew Klavan

They all have to go. And also, to me, it's not even a close call. Like, You took a gun. Okay, this is another point that really annoys me. I see even some people on the right saying, well, hey, you know, we believe in the Second Amendment and we got to be consistent here. I've seen some people draw comparisons between this and Kyle Rittenhouse. Hey, man, let's be fair.

Chapter 6: How do current films reflect societal issues according to the hosts?

879.376 - 890.816 Andrew Klavan

He brought a gun to do that. And maybe his intention was not to go kill the officers, but his intention certainly was all these people. None of them are protesters. This is not a legitimate protest. Well, it was not.

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890.836 - 895.905 Unknown

I mean, it's worth establishing this was not a protest happened afterward, but this was not a protest.

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895.926 - 909.021 Andrew Klavan

He was simply there. They are coordinating. I mean, we talked about this on my show. Now other people have gone into these signal chats where they coordinate with each other. They give license plates. They show up. And it is explicitly to obstruct law enforcement.

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909.041 - 926.64 Andrew Klavan

So if you take the gun and then your intention is to go commit crimes and then you end up getting shot in the process, to me, it's not even a close call. It's not even controversial. I mean, it might be controversial to a lot of people, but the substance of it, it's not controversial. This is clearly all on you. And I agree with what Ben said that

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926.62 - 949.563 Andrew Klavan

This is to the to the people, especially on the right. Again, there are some on the right who are saying, well, I believe in enforcing immigration law, but I don't like the way this is happening. Well, there is no way to do it. That won't be ugly because it's easy enough to say, let's let's enforce our immigration laws. But the problem is we have millions of people here. illegally.

949.724 - 963.127 Andrew Klavan

And so we need them to leave. And the problem is, well, they don't want to leave. That's why they're here. And so the only way to get them to leave is to grab them physically and drag them while they're kicking and screaming. There is no nice way to do it.

963.508 - 974.106 Andrew Klavan

And so if you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration laws in an ugly way, then you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration law at all, because there's no way to do it that isn't That isn't ugly.

974.326 - 992.875 Unknown

By the way, a crucial point on this on this gun Second Amendment argument from the libertarians who, you know, look, I love my libertarian friends. You can always count on them to undermine the right exactly at the moment that it really matters. But but I get the point in principle, because I'm a Second Amendment supporter. I'm a gun owner, a lifetime member of the NRA.

992.855 - 1019.841 Unknown

there is a deep uh conservatism to the wisdom of johnny cash don't take your guns to town bill leave your guns at home so look you can take your guns to town but if you are going to obstruct law enforcement you're going to put yourself intentionally in a very provocative situation where you will be committing crimes probably not the best idea to roll up with your sig in two magazines by the way his parents were interviewed by cbs news a generally liberal news outlet

Chapter 7: What criticisms were made about the portrayal of police in media?

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1124.012 - 1130.119 Michael Knowles

You know, I have to say, I'm thankful to Knowles for singing like Johnny Cash because it made death seem not so bad.

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1130.639 - 1147.884 Unknown

That's really nice. Oh, listen, as we're all here, we're stewing because it feels like we're all in Minneapolis right now. Not Ben, but the rest of us. It's pretty chilly. I think this is really actually just a trial run for Mother Nature for our colonization of Greenland. But we're not actually in Minneapolis right now.

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A Daily Wire reporter is, however, and we are joined by Jenny Tehr, who can infect our opinion with some actual facts that she is seeing on the ground. Jenny? I know, this is not something we're used to around here. Jenny, what are you seeing in Minneapolis?

1163.8 - 1184.271 Jennie Taer

Yeah, well, you know, we've been out with ICE in Minneapolis on the ride along with them. And we saw just the chaos unfold the second we went down there. So just to give you an idea is we started out the day going to the ICE office where agitators were already outside.

1184.311 - 1193.502 Jennie Taer

The second any of those vehicles came out, anytime ICE officers were going out to make arrests, there was what they call the spotter standing on the corner

1193.482 - 1222.847 Jennie Taer

waiting for them monitoring their movements reporting things like their license plates what the cars look like what those agents and officers look like and then the second we were hearing an arrest site so we were maybe within five blocks of an arrest site you started to see people just gathering on every street corner and by the time we got to let's say the apartment complex where one of the arrests they were trying to make was happening

1222.827 - 1244.177 Jennie Taer

it was already so loud everyone was already alerted to ice's presence in the area that that target didn't come out that day so this is what they're up against they're up against people who are exposing their whereabouts their locations getting in their way on top of that because as we were leaving we saw a situation unfold that thankfully didn't get

Chapter 8: What conclusions can be drawn about the political climate surrounding ICE?

1375.481 - 1386.282 Ben Shapiro

The president has deployed Tom Homan to Minneapolis. It seems that he is moving Greg Bovino, at least out of the out of this realm, you know, to another area of the country. What are people feeling down on the ground there?

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1387.257 - 1410.008 Jennie Taer

right so i think this was perfectly you know came to light when i had border patrol agents messaging me yesterday some of my sources saying that they're happy that some of them are getting to leave because this has been really hard for them to go through to be in these environments where

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1409.988 - 1434.73 Jennie Taer

They're not only just having to assess the threats that are present when you're making an arrest already, but now there's this added threat of outside organized agitators who are communicating on radios or 3D printing whistles. I mean, I saw some of that, too, that they're handing out to try to obstruct these arrests. So they're happy to see a change. And that change has been that

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1434.71 - 1455.925 Jennie Taer

The Trump administration has taken figures like Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino out of Minneapolis and had sent him back to the border. He's been relieved of his duties as the commander of at large operations. He was the face of these aggressive immigration operations in cities like New Orleans, now Minneapolis. He was in Chicago.

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1455.905 - 1469.002 Jennie Taer

And he was representing Border Patrol, which Border Patrol has a role in immigration enforcement. Traditionally, it's been along the border in border towns. They're not used to operating in these urban environments and they're more indiscriminate.

1469.362 - 1489.892 Jennie Taer

They were brought in when Secretary Noem, according to sources and her close aide, Corey Lewandowski, decided that the operations should focus more on numbers, that they should have more of a quota than the focus being on quality arrests, than getting the worst of the worst.

1489.912 - 1506.6 Jennie Taer

So we saw that shift, and that's when Border Patrol really came in to boost the numbers to get more people off the streets who are here illegally, not necessarily going after people with the worst criminal histories first, which was how the mass deportation campaign started.

1506.58 - 1522.636 Jennie Taer

Homan, however, Tom Homan, the border czar, who's now been brought in to replace Bovino, is in the camp of wanting more of those quality arrests. He wants us to get those really hardened criminals off the streets. And he's an ICE guy. He was head of ICE before this.

1523.237 - 1544.135 Jennie Taer

And so Trump brought him in and said, report directly to me, which is interesting because he's not asking him to report to the DHS secretary. And he's saying, you know, possibly we're hearing that they could be looking at changing the target list, saying maybe we should shift and go after more of the worst of the worst.

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