Bill Kristol: What a Bunch of Jackasses
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Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Monday, so we're here with editor-at-large Bill Kristol. And, you know, last week was pretty heavy. It's pretty heavy. A lot of serious topics, a lot of serious guests. We appreciated all of them. And so I have saved a section at the end of the podcast for some laughs. I feel like we need some laughter and deserve some laughter, Bill. And so, you know, we'll kind of see. Do you have a favorite stand-up comedian? Is there an old-timer that you're into?
Yeah, no, that's a good question. I'll think about it and get back to you at the end of the show. I can tell some of my favorite Henny Youngman jokes. That'll go over well. That'll date me back to 1946 or something like that.
That's exactly what I was hoping for in the answer. So you work on that. We need to start, though... with serious matters abroad and domestically. And I want to really begin with our friend and colleague, well, not really colleague, but your former colleague, my aspiring colleague, Bob Kagan, who was in The Atlantic yesterday with an article titled Checkmate in Iran, Washington Can't Reverse or Control the Consequences of Losing this War. And it's really well argued and just basically a full accounting of how rough the situation is strategically and geopolitically right now for Trump. And he goes into a lot of themes that he went into a month ago when he was on this podcast, because not a lot has changed since then.
But I do think he kind of even broadens it out further as far as like why this is such a geopolitical strategic defeat, even more so than whatever, Vietnam, et cetera, because of what some of the implications are for us losing control of the Strait of Hormuz. So I was wondering what your thoughts were on his assessment.
Yeah, no, I think it's a very strong piece. And he's been arguing this for a while, as you say, but I think he's being vindicated by events. Trump, understandably, does not want to escalate. He doesn't want to get in an even bigger war. And I think the conventional wisdom has been, well, it's not great for Trump. And I've had this view somewhat. And he can slide out of it without too much damage to himself or, I suppose, to the US. Iran's capabilities have been degraded. We've paid a price. The world economy has paid a price. But we can recover. I still think it'd be a pretty serious defeat. Bob is more struck by the severity of that defeat. Also struck by the fact that Iran, he's been right about this for the last week or so.
We've been talking about it on the phone a lot. Iran's not so eager to let Trump slither away, right? And that's really striking. And Iran feels they have the upper hand. I kind of thought maybe they're just a little worried about being pummeled again and they just slither away. And ended in a good situation. Pocket their winnings, ended in a pretty good situation for them. But so far, they haven't seemed to want to do that. And Trump has, you know, bellowed and threatened, but not done much. So we'll see what happens. Meanwhile, this trade is closed and the economy, the global economy pays more of a price.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What are the implications of Sean Duffy's road trip while gas prices soar?
0:00–8:38
2
How is Trump reshaping the post-WWII order?
8:38–15:35
3
What are the consequences of Trump's actions in Iran?
15:35–30:50
4
How does redistricting affect representation in Tennessee?
30:50–35:28
5
What are the political ramifications of the Supreme Court's ruling on redistricting?
35:28–43:48
6
How is the Biden administration responding to challenges in foreign policy?
43:48–50:14
7
What role does comedy play in political discourse?
50:14–55:39
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