S2 Ep1004: Wes Moore: The System Doesn't Work for a Lot of People

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Why does Wes Moore emphasize progressive patriotism?

Tim Miller 0:57
And so now we're three years later, Trump's back in there. Kamala tried to do a little bit of this. It was a pretty patriotic campaign. I'm just wondering what you think about that. Is that still a fruitful path? Is that still something you're trying to do? Like, where are you at on that?
Gov. Wes Moore 1:11
yeah i mean it's definitely something that i'm doing but we're doing because it's authentic yeah you know what i mean and that's i think got to be the key thing is that people need to know that you're real about it and that you're sincere and the reason we talk about patriotism is not because it's going to win you electoral points it's because you believe it. And I really do. I believe in this country, flaws and all. I believe in the fact that there's no way you can understand a journey like mine or a journey like my family's and not say there is something special and unique about the United States. and something that I was willing to fight for, willing to lay my life down for. I come from a whole family of people who believe in this country.
Gov. Wes Moore 1:55
So I do believe that we have to be able to embrace this mantra of patriotism. I believe that we can't allow other people to just simply bastardize it the way that it oftentimes happens when it comes to when you're looking at how a lot of MAGA World and Donald Trump and them talk about it. But I do think it's about not just blindly accepting this country or talking about this country as if its history doesn't matter. I actually think patriotism means saying, no, I'm not going to just sit down. I'm not going to just take it. I'm not just going to allow someone to take the country in the wrong direction. I'm going to fight and I'm going to fight for it. And I think that's actually the most patriotic thing that you can do right now.
Tim Miller 2:34
I want to pick up a couple of those points. But for people who don't know you, who are being introduced to you now, you reference your background and how this is tied into your background. So talk to us about that. You're a veteran, you know, growing up. Give us a little TLDR on Wes Moore's life story.
Gov. Wes Moore 2:50
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm I was a kid who, frankly, when people talk about the breakdowns of this of this country and the inequality of this country, I explain to people like I was born into it. You know, some of my first memories was literally watching my father die in front of me because he didn't get the health care that he needed. that some of my first memories was watching my mother not get her first job that gave her benefits until I was 14 years old. First job that gave her reliable hours. And this was an immigrant single mom who came to this country and eventually went on to get a master's degree. and still did not get her first job that gave her benefits until her son was 14 years old.
Gov. Wes Moore 3:28
I had handcuffs on my wrist by the time I was 11 years old. I joined the army when I was 17. I wasn't even old enough to sign the paperwork. My mother had to sign the paperwork for me. I went to a two-year college. So there was nothing about my life that said, oh, he's one day going to be the 63rd governor. of the state of Maryland.

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