Stephanie Ruhle: Unlimited Money and No Rules
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What is the main focus of the podcast?
Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Wednesday. We're in the third day of Donald Trump's second presidency. There's only like 1,300 or 1,400 or so days to go, so no big deal. I'm excited to be here. First time we get to turn the tables. Stephanie Ruhl, host of the 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhl on MSNBC. She's a senior business correspondent with NBC News. She was formerly an anchor for Bloomberg and a managing director at Deutsche Bank. What's going on, Steph?
Hey, just here covering the administration.
Are you excited about this? Do you have four years of 11 p.m. commentary on Donald Trump's antics in you mentally?
Yes. And for everybody who's like, oh, I can't do this. Check yourself.
Me.
Every day, you and I have the opportunity, whether it's on a podcast, whether it's on a television show, to talk to the American people and not be against him or for him, but just cover this, right? We are living in the age of misinformation, and we can sit here and bitch and moan about how we're flooded with lies, which we are, or we could realize we have these platforms. Let's do our part. Let's cover them.
Is this cope? Do you really feel this way?
Did you say cope or cope?
Yeah, are you coping? Is this you convincing yourself about this because you have to go into the salt mines every day and talk about this? Or is this honest? Or is this true?
Oh my God, it's completely true. Listen, is it tiring? Yeah, but it's tiring to do everything. You and I are both parents. Would it be tiring for me to be lining up at school drop-off and organizing a bake sale? Hell yeah. Okay. Okay. We are living in an extraordinary time where I do think our democracy is at risk. And every day we have a chance to tell the truth and cover this. And while there's huge pressure not to call our leaders out, you know, speak truth to power. Let's do it. Like, yeah. Is it like, oh, my God, wouldn't I love to be like sitting on a beach in Bermuda? Sure. Wouldn't everybody like to do that? But as far as jobs go, you and I have pretty great ones.
You're making me feel guilty.
And if you don't want to do it and I don't want to do it, a whole lot of other people will take these jobs.
Yeah. You're bucking me up right now. I was in the green room. I was talking about how I've been weeknight drinking. You're like, I'm not drinking. I'm keeping it sober. I'm excited. This is fun. And I'm beaten down. I need you. I need you to be my wake-up call in the morning. Be like, you got this, Tim.
Or guess what? Weeknight drink and realize you're weeknight drinking in an awesome town like New Orleans or New York City. These are blessed lives. Okay, this is my other point. yes, these are dark times, but you know what? Darkness does not beat darkness. Love does. So just realize this moment we're in, be excited about it and go for it.
I needed this. Okay. I didn't even know. I was just trying to make some small talk at the top of the podcast, but that was useful. All right. Uh, I mean, just because besides the fact that I just like hanging out with you, I think it was on your Friday night, 11th hour show where you have kind of the little happy hour vibe going. Yeah. And, uh, And you were ranting about how you have more masculine energy than Mark Zuckerberg and talking about how all these CEOs put in their own DEI programs, are now mad at themselves and their own employees. And they're all – I don't think you said the P word, but we can say it now in Donald Trump 2.0, and you seem to maybe be implying it deep down. And I was like, I need to talk about this stuff with Steph.
Of course. First of all, Mark Zuckerberg is obviously the wrong person, the wrong messenger when it comes to masculine energy, right? Again, I'm not joking. I have more than he does. But beneath what Zuckerberg is saying, he's not just the wrong messenger, he's using the wrong word. And I bring it up because... There is truth, and I'm not saying I support it or I don't support it. There is truth behind what he's saying in terms of a lot of business leaders. It's not that they're saying they want masculine energy. They're saying, and again, this is not an endorsement. This is who I cover. They want to be the boss again. They do not like that over the last six years, tons of companies have had their employees unionize or form different kinds of employee groups, right?
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main focus of the podcast?
0:09–4:54
2
How do CEOs feel about social justice initiatives?
4:54–23:18
3
What is the connection between Trump and corporate America?
23:18–28:26
4
Are CEOs really under pressure from progressive movements?
28:26–47:23
5
What role does misinformation play in today's media?
15:07
6
How do corporate leaders view the shift in power dynamics?
8:30–44:10
7
What challenges do businesses face in a post-Trump era?
44:10–47:23
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