'The Interview': Dr. Lindsay Gibson on What We Owe Our 'Emotionally Immature' Parents
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How do parents affect our emotional development?
From the New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. There's a poem by Philip Larkin called This Be the Verse, and it's been buzzing around in the back of my mind the entire time I've been working on today's interview. The poem starts like this, though literary fans will know I'm swapping in a clean word for a foul one. They mess you up, your mom and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had and add some extra just for you. That rings true for me, and I bet I'm not alone. But what do we do with that knowledge? For help answering that question, a lot of people have turned to the work of clinical psychologist Lindsay C. Gibson. Her book, Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, has been a slow-burning bestseller with over a million copies sold since it was published in 2015. It's also a viral presence on social media where it fits in with the larger trend of children reconsidering their relationships with their parents or even if they want to have a relationship with them at all.
So I had lots to ask Dr. Gibson, and some skepticism to bring her to. We talked about what emotional immaturity looks like in a parent, how much parents really shape the adults we become, whether we owe problematic parents compassion, and a bunch of other very easy topics. Parents, oi. Here's my conversation with Lindsay C. Gibson. Hi, Lindsay. How are you?
What are the characteristics of emotionally immature parents?
Hi, David. I'm doing great.
There are so many things I want to talk to you about. Also, maybe I'll squeeze in a little attempt at getting free therapy from you.
That's what I'm here for.
You know, the broad definition of emotionally immature parents are parents who refuse to validate their children's feelings and intuitions. They might be reactive, lacking in empathy or awareness. Can you... Maybe give me a couple sort of specific examples of emotionally immature behaviors from parents.
Sure. The biggest one is the egocentrism. If you just imagine that a person starts and ends all their consideration with what's best for them or how they see things, that's egocentrism. And, you know, David, I just started watching The Sopranos for the first time. I'm like the only person in America that had not watched The Sopranos. You're in for a treat. Yeah, well, I'm on season five now, so I'm, yeah. But if you listen to the dialogue, they completely nailed it. Because everything always comes back the same. to the viewpoint of the person who is the emotionally immature character. It's always all about them. Another one is the lack of empathy. The parent just doesn't get it. They say, why are you so upset about this, or stop it, or this is not a big deal. They cannot enter into the reality of their child's emotional experience. It just doesn't make sense to them. Maybe it's the teenager who wants to talk to their parent about their girlfriend or boyfriend. And then the parent says, oh, tell me about it. That reminds me of your father.
Let me tell you what he did yesterday. And suddenly, you know, we're back talking about the emotionally immature person's issues with no sense of, you know, sticking to the subject of the other person.
How can we identify emotional immaturity in our parents?
Of course, as any parent knows, those characteristics show up even among the best parents sometimes. How do people distinguish between normal, flawed parental behavior and behavior that's detrimental enough to sort of rise to the label of emotionally immature? Yeah. Like, where's the line? It's not a clinical diagnosis, so where's the line?
Right, right. Where's the line? Okay. If you think of emotional maturity and immaturity as being on a continuum, all of us have a spot that we tend to hang out on that continuum. It doesn't mean that we stay there no matter what. For instance, like, if you're tired or you're sick or you're stressed... I can guarantee that you are not going to be as emotionally mature as you could when you're rested and well and not stressed. I mean, that's just what happens. We all slide down the scale when we have those kinds of stresses.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
How do parents affect our emotional development?
0:04–1:42
2
What are the characteristics of emotionally immature parents?
1:42–3:55
3
How can we identify emotional immaturity in our parents?
3:55–8:24
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How do adult children cope with emotionally immature parents?
8:24–17:01
5
When should estrangement from parents be considered?
17:01–23:28
6
Why is Dr. Gibson's book popular in today's culture?
23:28–43:51