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Chapter 1: Why is Ron Magill so upset at the beginning of the episode?
This is as angry as I have ever seen Ron McGill. His body language is infuriated. This is an everlastingly polite and charming man in public. He's very careful about how he represents the zoo when he's not embezzling money through his endowment that you guys contribute to in overwhelming fashion. What are you so mad about?
Because you're over there with your arms crossed and you look a little like David Sampson. You look like, oh, they're not on time again. Just about five feet taller, though. Why are you so angry? What's the matter?
Chapter 2: What is Ron Magill's mission in Tallahassee regarding Florida's state bird?
I'm not angry. I'm just tired. I was in Tallahassee all day yesterday and up and back in the same day. I didn't get home till, you know, 1130 or so here at work at 6 a.m. So I'm just a little tired, you know, and then, you know, I got a call to be on the show at 1020. And what time is it now? Oh, it's 1040. It's 20 minutes I've been sitting here.
So what are you fighting for in Tallahassee? You're not a politician. Tallahassee is a terrible, corrupt armpit that has been swallowed in Florida and swallows good people like you are trying to help the animals and the environment. What were you doing in Tallahassee? Were you politically grandstanding?
Well, I was talking about animals. We had a couple of animals up there. We're also trying, I'm trying to drive this movement to get the flamingo named the state bird of Florida. You know, listen, I've got nothing against the mockingbird, but the mockingbird is the state bird of Mississippi, of Texas, of six other states.
We have a potential here of having a bird that's iconic, that's always been associated with Florida, and it seems to be a no-brainer to me to make that the national bird of Florida, especially now since it's come back and it's staying here, which is a great reflection of great Everglades restoration, that the birds are coming back and they're staying. It's a win-win.
So, you know, I'm just trying to convince the... help convince the legislators to pass a law to make that the state bird. Are you going to win? Is it an uphill fight? It's an uphill fight, I think, for this session, but I think we got a really good chance next year for the next session. But I wanted to at least plant the seed, help plant the seed. I was working with the Zoo Miami Foundation.
I took the day off. I was not up there as Ron McGill from Zoo Miami. I was up there as Ron McGill from the Zoo Miami Foundation and kind of wildlife expert and just kind of talking. You know, we collaborated with the Tallahassee Museum. They brought some animals over. They brought an owl. They brought an alligator. They brought a snake. And I talked about that as the legislatures went through.
They were in a session yesterday, and it was day-to-day. I was on a plane with all the commissioners, the supervisor of elections, the supervisor of tax collector, the chairman of the commission. They were all on the same plane. God, if that plane had gone down, that would have been a disaster. Well, maybe not. I don't know. Ron, is there a big market?
No! And what kind of incendiary... Yeah, Ron, you were on the plane. Wait a minute. What kind of incendiary... I was on the plane.
I would be no great loss.
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Chapter 3: What are Ron Magill's views on de-extincting animals like the dire wolf and woolly mammoth?
And there was a good reason for it. It's animals adapting and environments adapting. An animal went extinct to make room for another animal that helped create the balance that is necessary and delicate. So there's an old commercial you're too young to remember. There used to be a lady comes up, don't fool with mother nature. This is a classic example of don't fool with mother nature.
So I'm gonna give you my personal opinion of what this company is doing. And this is not to say they're not getting some very important information that could be applied to science in the future. But this whole theory about, oh no, we're gonna do dire wolves.
we've got them in a secret location and we're taking care of the protected and they're trying to build up all this fascination right with dire wolves why because game of thrones that was the animal game of thrones and what show had a bigger following than game of thrones so now you got oh do you want to be part of game of thrones do you want to see real dire wolves well we've got them at the secret location and they're going to keep on doing this the next thing they want to do is the woolly mammoth right
So let's see what happens. You want to build it up. I'm telling you what they're going to do. They want to build a little Jurassic Park, so to speak, and have a ton of money. They've already had a ton of people invest millions and millions of dollars in this company because people see the return. The return kind of like, come see these animals.
Like you used to see freaky animals in a circus, right? In a freak show. Or just like the movie Jurassic Park. How did that movie begin, right? Oh, the dinosaurs. Oh, this is beautiful. Going back in time. How did it end? Okay, this is what you're looking at. This is what you're looking at. Do not fool with Mother Nature. There's a reason why animals go extinct.
As long as it's not some accelerated thing due to man's abuse and man's neglect. Leave it be. Do not try to change something that mother, because mother nature doesn't make mistakes. We make mistakes, but mother nature doesn't make mistakes.
And if we start thinking we're going to start bringing back these extinct animals just to pander to people's fascination for something that, you know, oh my God, I want to see it. I want to be the first because we have these fascination with these things that, you know, have so been glorified over the years through mythology and stuff. All of a sudden you're going to open Pandora's box.
well i was right i knew this was going to piss you off um i did see that they were like you said in a secret location so is the point to breed them to say they're unextincted uh unextinct or whatever it is inextinct i guess um but then they're just keeping them in captivity because obviously you can't introduce these wolves to the wild right so ethically that's very dubious i would assume
That's right. You can't introduce these wolves to the wild. But hey, what's going to happen if one escapes? Oh, like the fencing in Jurassic Park goes down, a dinosaur gets out, no longer control. Oh my God, what are we going to do now? What if? What if? Guys, do not fool with Mother Nature. Sorry, I'm banging the table, making things shake.
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Chapter 4: What are the ethical concerns of keeping genetically modified extinct animals in captivity?
There's many words that could be substituted to mean the same thing. It's what we call synonyms.
Some of you never saw Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, The Secret of the U's, and it shows.
Great and grave are not the same thing. I would imagine that Greg Cody is mortified by how little his son knows about words.
I mean, they're similar in context. They're often used interchangeably. Thank you, Dad. But a grave situation is a situation where peril... Where I might end up in a grave? Is that what we're doing there?
No, no, it really is. It's a grave danger over here.
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Chapter 5: Which endangered animals does Ron Magill support bringing back and why?
No, see, you're looking at the word literally. A grave situation is a situation with danger, with peril involved. The author has spoken.
Ron, can you forgive me for my ignorance here? I only have pieces of information. But Valerie exclaimed yesterday that within the last couple of years, I think was an old news story, an underwater T-Rex had been discovered. And I did not know that that was a that was a thing. Like, did you know that that was a thing?
I don't know of an underwater T-Rex in such that a T-Rex that lived underwater. I know they have found fossil records of T-Rexes that are now submerged, but that's because when the T-Rex died, it was not necessarily land that was underwater.
You know, as the ice age diminished, sea levels rose, and therefore you had bones that might have been on the coastline or something, and all of a sudden now are underwater. It's like the state of Florida. You know, if you walk in the state of Florida, you dig down six inches down here, you'll be in a coral rock because this was originally all underwater.
There's no underwater T-Rex, man. Did they swim? They could swim. That's a misnomer because of the small arms. It would be hard to swim.
I can't believe the T-Rex could swim. And there's no such thing as an underwater T-Rex only because there's no reptile that lives underwater.
Wait a minute. If a T-Rex can swim, then there is such a thing as an underwater reptile.
No, it just makes it a reptile.
I don't think it's presently submerged. Damn. Listen, Dan, I'm going to tell you just from the fossil record. Let's look at the fossil record. Let's look at the bones of a T-Rex, which we know exist. That's not something we have to make up. That animal could not swim. That animal could walk in deep water.
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Chapter 6: What is the truth about the underwater T-Rex myth?
You've all probably seen the illustrations of dinosaurs in the water, grabbing things out of the water. I don't know why the T-Rex would go in the water, because it was a carnivorous reptile, unless it started feeding on... marine mammals of some sort that may have existed at the time, which I don't think they did. I don't know. I didn't live back then.
But certainly a T-Rex could have waded into the water. It was a tall animal. It could have gone into deep water. Why is Cody laughing like that? This whole conversation is going south very quickly. Cody lived back then.
Yeah, he made the usual reference about me being prehistoric times. Dan, if I'm swimming in the ocean, I'm not an underwater human.
You are underwater when you're swimming. There's no disputing that. None of you are not swimming under the water.
Yeah, but you're not making a ruling on an entire species based on him, you know, having a few readers in the surf.
I got partial information. I was half listening. I got a lot on my mind.
I was half listening. A million years from now, there could be a race of a new species of intelligent beings after humans become extinct, and they could find human bones down under the water in the middle of the Atlantic and think, oh, look at this. There were underwater humans. It might have been the wreck of the Titanic. Who knows?
Forgive me. The segment got away from me. I've got a bunch of video here I didn't get to. But we do have a video that I wanted to show you to continue this uncomfortable thing of where we show you your son's work. Now, your son, your son, Sean, has been hired as a mercenary, a hired gun to make a couple of things for us. And I have not seen them before they air. I don't trust anybody with that.
We trust your son here. He's making things. And he went out with the Codys because Cody said the other day that he would be a great professional actor. All he would need was a couple of classes. So we said, all right, let's try this. And then Greg Cody went with Sean McGill and his son and they took an acting class.
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Chapter 7: What happened during Greg Cody and Sean McGill's acting class?
Paul Newman. Not you. The late, great Sidney Pollack. I have a big scene in a near background shot. And the rest is history. And so 40, 50, whatever, 50, 45 years later, I'm here to take an acting class just for fun.
Today is going to be fantastic. We're going to do a little bit of breathing. Let's breathe. And warm up.
A little bit of energy, guys.
A little bit of energy.
and then a little bit of an intro.
Doctor, do you think my breast implants are good? Great. We want to start with a little bit of breathing, as you know.
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Chapter 8: How do the acting class exercises reflect the participants' skills and humor?
Breathe in. Breathe out.
So, we're gonna go to improv, okay? So we're gonna do a couple exercises, okay? Rule number one, guys, let's say yes to everything, okay? Greg is trying for the first time. I need two words. Breast implants, that's two words, but that's okay. And pineapple, I love that. Okay, let's go. Let's go. Sir, when I say three, two, one, improv, whatever comes to mind, guys.
Three, two, one, improv! So, doctor, do you think my breast implants are good or they need to be bigger?
They look fantastic as is. How do you enjoy them?
It's awesome. My clients say it's awesome.
I feel like you wanted bigger. I feel like you wanted pineapple size.
Pineapple size?
Yes. Is that possible? Is that true? Because I heard that rumor. You're the doctor.
I don't know. You tell me.
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