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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: The Fourth Rail

22 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the significance of the Seahawks vs. Rams matchup?

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this is the dan levator show with the stugatz podcast so we have a situation with this seahawks rams game where you've got the number one scoring offense against the number one scoring defense and usually defense wins that game seven or one all time when you have that kind of matchup The all-time stats between the Seahawks and the Rams, the Seahawks are 29-28 against the Rams all-time.

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They've scored 1,223 points. The Rams have scored 1,222 points. So... This feels like it's for the championship to me. I don't know how that feels to you. The Patriots have had a really easy schedule and it's rare for a team like the Patriots to just cascade through everything and win the championship their first time through this.

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Chapter 2: How has the Patriots' schedule affected their performance?

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So I know I've doubted them all season and they're a five and a half point favorite on the road because they've gotten very fortunate here.

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against the broncos because stidham is starting but that's the game i'm interested in i'm just not interested in the other one the part that sucks is that the game that it was actually during our holiday party that thursday night game between the rams and the seahawks was probably the best game of the year on a back and forth basis like how do you top that game that the last time we saw these two teams play it was the best game we've seen in a really long time and like all right do it again

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Well, the two times they've played, right? The Seahawks were... The Seahawks, the first time they played the Rams, they had a minus four turnover differential and were still trying to kick a 61-yard field goal at the end to win the game, not even tie it, because they somehow overcame that. And then the last time they played...

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Outside of that weird Broncos-Giants game earlier this season that had all that chaos in the fourth quarter and the game that the Titans won against the Cardinals, the weirdest game I saw this season was the ending to Seahawks-Rams the last time they played. But I believe that most of the people listening to this are going to take the Rams in that game just because they don't trust Sam Darnold.

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Chapter 3: What were the key moments in the last Seahawks-Rams game?

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They think Sam Darnold is gonna Sam Darnold even with the best defense in the league. Tony, you're making a face there. You're willing to trust Sam Darnold.

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I'm willing to trust Mike McDonald. I'm willing to trust the defense because Sam Darnold had the game that we all thought he would have against the Rams and they were 61 yards away from winning the game. Mark out on the field goal. You've seen the worst possibility. He throws four interceptions that are terrible.

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They have five turnovers in the game, and then all of a sudden you look and say, all right, 61 yards.

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Chapter 4: How does Sam Darnold's performance impact team trust?

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But I don't understand how the Rams lost to them last time. There were five minutes left in that game. It was improbable. They were all— I could also make the argument that both Packers-Bears games of the last month were among the weirdest of the comebacks. But the Seahawks winning that second game against the Rams was damn near inexplicable.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Doc Rivers' coaching history?

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And when it comes to distrust for Sam Darnold, you guys remember the radio call. Last year, Minnesota went 14-3. They won all their one-score games, then they get to the playoffs, and Sam Darnold, Sam Darnold, in a way that had the broadcasters really frustrated. He's holding! That was the pissed off announcer talking about Sam Darnold with obvious frustration. That was both of them actually.

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Just run.

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That man comes from a very deep place in the loins.

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baby uh let's welcome in another new sponsor here we love new sponsors we ask you to support the people who support us and we've got a goat conversation that i want to continue from earlier in the show of worst coaches to win a championship we were talking about doc rivers and the fact that doc rivers is now 18 and 25 with yannis antetokounmpo Doc Rivers has some bad failure on his resume.

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It's not just the game sevens, the collapses with 3-1 leads. He had an Orlando team with Anthony Hardaway. Now Grant Hill was hurt on that team, but he had a team that never got out of the first round with Anthony Hardaway.

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Are we doing the goat of bonehead coaches?

Chapter 6: How does Kurt Cignetti's coaching style influence his team?

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Not bonehead coaches, but the goat of coaches to win a championship who you still don't consider any good.

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I got to scratch off Nathaniel Hackett.

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So you're just doing bonehead coaches that didn't win a championship?

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He worked the clock to set up a 64-yard field goal. We're talking a GOAT conversation. We need to get the GOAT of bonehead coaches. I mean, Nathaniel Hackett, try to beat that.

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You remember that guy? I mean, Gene Chizik. I wanted to go GOAT of coaches who won a championship and you still consider incompetent.

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Larry Coker.

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Very Switzerland. Those are good ones. Oh, man, don't say Coker. Come on.

Chapter 7: What is the 'fourth rail' and its relevance in sports commentary?

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Ozzie Guillen. That's what I had. Larry Coker. I think Larry Coker had the best start to a coaching career there's ever been. I think he won his first 32 or 34 games, and then when he left Miami, wasn't allowed to coach anywhere else.

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Well, thankfully you can't say that anymore. It's Cignetti. This Hot Takes Goat Conversation is presented by Frank's Red Hot. Make every dish the greatest. Eat the goat. Berry Switzer's pretty good. It's a really good one.

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When you mentioned Cignetti, have you come around on Cignetti, Tony? What is your feeling on Cignetti? You seem to have some bittersweet, troubled, conflicting feelings.

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Chapter 8: What are the latest developments regarding Brandon Aiyuk?

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After, you know...

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proper time to to really think about and reflect on the loss i started thinking about signetti and i started thinking about his timeline of where he's been and how he's gotten where he's gotten it's like this guy's a great coach and i like his style i like how he's always looking at the camera he's playing you know playing on the fourth rail google me like that's probably one of the greatest what's the fourth rail and why is he playing on it

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Fourth rail, yeah. He's breaking the fourth rail. No, it's a wall. Fourth wall. Fourth wall. It's the third rail. Yeah. This is really funny considering the conversation we just had prior. About the boneheads? Yeah.

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What is the fourth rail? I don't know what the fourth rail is.

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Minor penalty. Two minutes. Tremenda. Yeah. There's a third rail. Don't write it down. Fourth wall. Don't write it down. I'm sorry, Tony.

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You're going to have to leave. Sam Darnold with the Vikings versus the Rams last year in the playoffs. He lost 27-9, nine sacks, 12 QB hits, two turnovers. Also, almost half of his interceptions this year have come against the Rams.

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He said, Google me, and then he did it. You got to go, baby.

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Did you not hear Tremenda Cagazón? No, I heard it, baby. I know, but I don't understand what that was as analysis.

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As it said, 18 things that haven't made sense in two weeks. Yo, don't bring me into your business, all right? Mind your own business. Go in penalty box.

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