The David Pakman Show
ICE murder terrifies country as Trump defends, Natl Guard prepared
08 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Ja nyt sitten kaikki muuttostressi pois. Minulla on tässä valmiina muuttolaatikot, kuplamuovit, nokkakärryt, kirjoilijoita. Mutta emme ole mihinkään muuttamassa. Mitä ihmettä? Kuulin, että teidän nuorimmainen on muuttamassa. Siis Vesa saa oman huoneen yläkerrasta. Ahaa. Okei, no sitten olisi vähän hätäällä teidän astioiden pakkaamisen kanssa. Siis teit mitä? Ei kestä kiittää, sillä itse asiassa. Itse asiassa. Biilteemasta löytyy edulliset välineet hommaan kuin hommaan. Oli kysymys sitten omasta tai kaverin projektista.
Chapter 2: What happened during the recent ICE raid in Minneapolis?
Nyt kun se pahin on takana, niin mä odotan tulevaisuudelta sitä, että mulla ei ole semmosia elämää uhkaavia huolia ja murheita. Yhdessä syöpää vastaan, koska meillä on elämä tehtävänä. Dokrates Mehiläinen syöpäsairaala.
We start today with a video out of Minneapolis showing an ice agent shooting a woman through her car window during a massive federal immigration raid. The woman, a US citizen, was trying to leave after receiving conflicting commands, shot and died. Some are saying this is murder. Others were saying it is self-defense. I am not unsure which of the two it was, and we will talk about it. Donald Trump blamed the radical left.
This genuinely has the potential to generate a civil war like environment in the United States. I don't say that lightly and we will talk about it. The fallout has been enormous. Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota says he is readying the National Guard.
to be up against Trump's ice, which is both incredible and potentially potentially escalatory, but necessary. I believe we will also talk about the sudden proposal from the White House for a 60 percent increase to the military budget. I thought Trump wasn't going to be that guy. And now his budget proposes increasing the size of the military by 60 percent. And later, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says the president has announced
There is an order to end obesity. I mean, listen, ban obesity, ban covid. Why not just ban things? Right. Except we know that doesn't make any sense. All of these stories and more. Plus a soybean farmer, Caleb Ragland, will join me. We've got a great show today.
Donald Trump's ice agents appear to have murdered a woman, a 37 year old American citizen. This is a story unlike any I have ever covered on the show. And it is one of the most disturbing stories, certainly of Trump's second term. Never mind of the entire time that I have been doing this. And we deserve to describe it accurately.
Rene Nicole Goode, 37-vuotias yhdysvaltainen, äiti, kirjoittaja, oli tullut ja tullut isojen ajan aikana maailmanlaajuisessa maailmanlaajuisessa maailmanlaajuisessa maailmanlaajuisessa maailmanlaajuisessa maailmanlaajuisessa maailmassa. . . .
I'm going to play it for you. OK. There's nothing particularly graphic in the video. It was not a foot chase. It was not a shootout. It was not someone charging at an officer with a vehicle nor a weapon. I'm not going to do as a pruder style film analysis of the video. But if you look closely, you will certainly notice that the officer was not at risk of getting run over. This was even if you say, oh, well, she was disobeying a legal command.
Does that justify getting assassinated? So listen, here's the video. This is the United States of America right now. Why every single media outlet is not calling this what it is, I don't know. But that's a whole other problem. Let's take a look. She stopped. Officers get out. So you hear someone say, get out of the fucking car. No!
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Chapter 3: How is Governor Walz responding to the ICE incident?
Okei, ja siinä on hetki. Nyt tärkeä asia on, että valmistaja, joka tappaa, joka tässä näkökulmassa on lyhyesti ylöspäin vehikon kanssa. Kun näet, että auto jatkuu, näet, että valmistaja on vasemmassa autoa. Koneet ovat käänneet. Hän ei halua mennä tämän kaiken ylös. Ja sitten tappaminen ylöspäin.
We're not going to look more deeply at the video. The video is what you want to do primarily is analysis of the video. The video is out there and you can certainly do it. But what is important here is that she was trying to leave. And that really matters, because even in the most charitable interpretation to the ICE agents, she was disobeying an order.
That justifies making an ice agent who is not in any danger. Judge, jury and executioner. This is not law and order. This is not the way the United States is supposed to work. Now Donald Trump very quickly weighed in and he says the agent was acting in self-defense from what he said. It's hard to believe the officer is alive. Really? The officer wasn't hit and then later ran towards the vehicle. Trump posting, quote, I have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was obviously a professional agitator. And the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully and viciously ran over the ICE officer, who seems to have shot her in self-defense. None of that happened. None of that is true. Trump continues. Based on the attached clip, it's hard to believe he's alive, but is now recovering in the hospital. What?
The situation is being studied in its entirety. But the reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left is threatening, assaulting and targeting our law enforcement officers and ICE agents on a daily basis. Can you imagine a more irresponsible and deluded comment? They are just trying to do the job of making America safe, says Trump. We need to stand by and protect our law enforcement officers from this radical left movement of violence and hate.
The problem, of course, is none of this comports with reality. Will the legacy in corporate media have the audacity? Is that what it is? The courage, the responsibility to the facts to simply say none of this is true.
The officer was never run over. He was on his feet the entire time. The video, if you keep watching it, shows him running down the street after the shooting. An independent reporting from outlets like The Guardian and The New York Times found no evidence that the officer was injured at all, despite the claims of the Department of Homeland Security. How is it hard to believe that he is still alive? Not hit and running around. The obvious question no one in the administration wants to answer is why was the gun pulled at all?
Why was the gun even out if an ICE agent feels justified shooting into a car because a driver is trying to drive away amidst conflicting commands? That is not law enforcement. It is time for citizens and residents of the United States and every single media outlet to say that is enough.
Now, Tim Walls and also the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, they are saying this is enough. Here is Governor Tim Walls saying this was both predictable and avoidable. And of course, he's completely and totally correct. The outrage that we have. Look, this was.
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Chapter 4: What does the clash between state and federal authorities mean for Minnesota?
This was totally predictable, as I said it yesterday, and it was totally avoidable. And I just wanted to remind you too that local law enforcement, we get no coordination. They don't tell us they're coming, they don't say why they're sending the largest deployment in American history to Minneapolis. They're not making us any safer. We don't have any of that coordination.
They should be talking to us when we do these things. Let us know. We are going to be down here. This is going to happen. We don't have that. So when you see local law enforcement or state patrol or if it would take the National Guard, we're there responding to the chaos they've created too. But our role is to make sure that we're protecting Minnesotans so that something like this doesn't happen.
If federal agents are operating without coordinating with local officials and essentially in secrecy, of course this is going to happen. Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey, he had a different way of approaching this issue. There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better, but I do have a message for our community, for our city, and I have a message for ICE. To ICE,
Get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want you here. Your stated reason for being in this city is to create some kind of safety and you are doing exactly the opposite.
So a very clear message. Now, one of the things I found most disgusting is how many in the right wing media, including Jesse Waters on Fox News, rushed to attack the character of the woman that was murdered. Now, I want you to listen very carefully. OK, listen carefully as Jesse Waters lists characteristics of Renee Good, the 37 year old who was killed. Do any of the characteristics he mentions matter?
Justify an assassination? Take a listen. The woman who lost her life was a self-proclaimed poet from Colorado with pronouns in her bio. A 37-year-old white woman named Renee Good. The Daily Mail says she leaves behind a lesbian partner and a child from a previous marriage. She was a disruptor, though she considered herself a legal observer, but there's no evidence she had a law degree.
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Chapter 5: What proposal did Trump make regarding the military budget?
Wow. Wow. Well, I'm not hearing anything there, Jesse, that justifies what took place on video. We have the video. And yet Jesse Waters is virtue signaling to his audience. Lesbian pronouns. Child from a previous relationship. Legal observer with no law degree.
Yeah, we have the video, Jesse. We have the video. Now, legally, the case is far from settled. Of course, state prosecutors may be able to pursue charges depending on whether the officer's behavior is deemed necessary and proper or not under Supreme Court precedent. We don't know legally where this is all going to fall.
But the fallout is massive protests erupting across the country. Schools closed, tear gas deployed and Tim Walls putting the Minnesota National Guard on standby. And that is where the bigger picture comes in, which we will talk about in a moment. This is no longer an isolated incident.
This happened during what the Department of Homeland Security under Kristi Noem is calling the largest immigration enforcement operation ever carried out 2000 federal agents in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area. Heavily armed forces descending onto cities without coordination, accountability or restraint.
will make violence more likely. And it did. And when the violence is immediately justified by the president of the United States, it sends the message to the officers that you can get away with a lot and that if you are a protester or even just an individual in the wrong place, wrong time, if you don't comply perfectly, it may not be a ticket. It may not be a civil infraction. It may not be you escorted away.
It may be you getting killed and not surviving to go home to your family. There is nothing here about public safety as the priority. A woman is dead. The video does not match right wing media or the administration or Donald Trump's story. And instead of accountability, we're getting lies and scapegoating and all of the normal stuff. Every media outlet should be calling this for what it is. Let's talk about what Tim Walls is doing next. The governor of Minnesota.
is preparing the National Guard to face off against Donald Trump's federal ice goons. This is potentially moving towards a disaster of such scope and significance that it has been decades since the US has seen this sort of thing. Now, I know a lot of you wrote to me about is this the start of the civil war? David, let's table that for a moment for the next segment.
Tässä on, mitä olemme oppineet, mitä Minnesotassa ja Minneapolisissa on suunnitelmaa. Tänään täällä on Minneapolisin puheenjohtaja Jacob Frey, jonka jälkeen käsitellään Icelaa 37-vuotiaan René Ghosta. Ei ole mitään, jota voin sanoa, joka tekee tämän tilanteen paremmin. Mutta minulla on käsitellään meidän yhteisömme, meidän kaupungimme ja minulla on käsitellään Icelaa.
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Chapter 6: How are Trump's tariffs impacting the soybean industry?
To ice, get the fuck out of Minneapolis.
Now we heard that earlier. Let's now go to the state level response from the governor, Tim Walz, who says this. Can you believe this is the United States of America right now? Days into 2026, Governor Tim Walz is preparing his state's National Guard to face off against Trump's ice goons. Listen to this. We do not need any further help from the federal government.
To Donald Trump and Kristi Noem, you've done enough. There's nothing more important than Minnesotan safety. I've issued a warning order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard. We have soldiers in training and prepared to be deployed if necessary.
I remind you, a warning order is a heads up for folks. And these National Guard troops are our National Guard troops. They're teachers in your community. They're business owners. They're construction professionals. They are Minnesotans. Minnesota will not allow our community to be used as a prop in a national political fight. We will not take the bait. We do not need any further help from the federal government. All right. This is a major escalation.
But it's a necessary one. There are those who are immediately saying, why is Tim Walz raising the temperature? Folks, Trump's goons came in, shot a woman three times through her window and windshield, killing her. And Trump went online and said it seems like self-defense. That's the escalation. Governor Walz is doing one of the few things he can do to try to defend his state.
Now understand that national guard units are normally activated for disaster response or for civil unrest or a support role as requested by local officials. This is different because the guard is being prepared to respond to and defend against federal law enforcement activity itself. This is a line not often crossed in the United States. That is why a lot of you are writing to me about civil war, and I will get to that.
Yhdistelmät yhdistelmät yhdistelmät yhdistelmät yhdistelmät The whole point of the slow, frustrating system we have is to prevent these sorts of violent escalations when a governor
Like Tim Walls, who is careful. This is not an erratic guy. When a governor like Tim Walls says we've got to prepare the state military forces to potentially battle federal agents because they are operating in ways that are dangerous or illegitimate. We are not in normal territory. This is a unique situation. Now, the context, of course, matters. If Tim Walls were just saying we don't want ice and we're putting the National Guard out there to fight them.
There are many of us who would say that is justified, but it might be moving a little too quickly when using the courts may be appropriate. That is not the context right now. The context now is that an ICE agent shot and killed a US citizen during what they are calling an enforcement operation, where the video evidence contradicts the administration's self-defense narrative. Federal officials are doubling down and Trump is blaming the so-called radical left. There is no accountability and not even the idea. Let's pause and think for a second.
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Chapter 7: What controversial claims did White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt make?
Jokainen valmistus, jokainen protesti, jokainen lämpöinen uusi sykli on kuvattu niin, että tämä on se. Tämä on kansainvälinen maa. Ja pitkän ajan se ei ollut vain yksinkertaisen retorikin. Se oli yllättävän sinikallinen retorikin. Meillä ei ollut organisoitavaa, järjestettävää kautta kansainvälinen maa Yhdysvalloissa. Ja paljon ihmisiä, jotka olivat, jotka olivat ymmärtäneet, että me olimme kansainvälinen maan yliopistossa, olimme todella hyödyntäneet kliksejä ja yllättäminen. Ja en ole osallistunut siihen, koska luulen, että se on väärin.
I have to now come to the table and talk to you about what is happening now. What is happening right now as a result of what took place in Minneapolis is different. And I want to explain it without going full doomsday. The civil war is here.
This week yesterday, Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, said he is preparing the Minnesota National Guard to physically stop through confrontation Donald Trump's ice goons from carrying out operations in Minnesota. This is happening in the aftermath of the killing of 37 year old American citizen Renee Good by an agent of Donald Trump's ice. So we are potentially going to see.
The Minnesota National Guard physically face off against Trump's ice. This is not a rhetorical flourish. This is a state executive signaling. We are ready to use military force to block federal law enforcement. A civil war doesn't start with neighbors shooting each other in the streets.
It starts when institutions stop recognizing each other's authority and it starts when the chain of command breaks and it can start when state and federal power collide in a way that can't be resolved by a court or by an election. And if we look at history around the world, that is a danger zone. So I'm not here saying the civil war is here, but what I am here to tell you is that we are starting to see the scaffolding for what can lead to
Yksityiskohtaisen maailmanlaajuisen konfliktiin. Nyt jopa nyt, vaikka yksityiskohtaisen poliittisen konfliktin aikana Yhdysvalloissa, valtion ja hallitusten välisistä puolustuksista on järjestetty lakioita ja järjestöjä hallitusten välisistä puolustuksista. Se on vahva prosessi, kuten puhuttiin aiemmin. Valtio järjestää, oikeusyhtiö vastaa, jäsen luo, ja vahva prosessi voi olla erittäin frustroivaa, mutta osa prosessia on vähentää poliittista konfliktaa käsittämällä yksityiskohtaisen konfliktin.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of new federal dietary guidelines?
If you get beyond that, if you have a state controlled armed force like the National Guard physically confronting federal agents, we're not in normal political territory. We are not in a moment where the court is going to decide. This doesn't mean we are in a civil war. It doesn't mean that a civil war is inevitable. It doesn't mean violence by default follows. Most civil wars do not look
like two clean sides that form overnight and fight each other. They are escalating standoffs, miscalculations, moments where someone decides I'm going to push a little bit more than we've ever pushed before. And then someone else says we are now going to push a little bit more. That is the risk. And it is especially dangerous in the context of Donald Trump's presidency,
where federal law enforcement is increasingly seen as a political weapon against which states need to defend themselves when federal agencies are perceived rightly or wrongly as acting on behalf of a single leader rather than a neutral law enforcement apparatus. States begin to treat them as illegitimate. They begin to treat them as hostile. And that is how they end up deploying the state national guard against them.
That is how trust collapses. Now, it's also worth saying that the people who spent years screaming civil war over mask mandates and school board meetings, they did real damage. They have desensitized the public to the idea, because when you've got all these people who have been saying civil war for 10 or 12 years over everything.
Now, when the more serious actors who I try to be thoughtful, I try not to be hyperbolic. When I now come in and say, listen, I'm not saying a civil war is inevitable, but I've got to recognize that a mask mandate did not reflect a push towards civil war. What we are seeing now in terms of the National Guard of Minnesota versus Trump's ice goons could push in that direction. We now don't get the attention that this really does deserve.
Because there are some people who have been it's like the boy who cried wolf type of situation. And it makes it harder to recognize when we are seeing the type of institutional breakdown that really can lead to that type of conflict. This is different. OK, this is not Twitter drama. It is a kind of escalation that political scientists actually do worry about. Now, the hopeful part, if there is one, is that this can still be deescalated. Congress exists. Courts exist.
Se on kuitenkin oikein, mutta puheenjohtajat ja kansainväliset osallistujat voivat yrittää mennä takaisin, mutta ymmärtää, että tämä on vain yksi ylihyppinen uusi sykli. Luulen, että se olisi ongelma. Jouluvoitteet eivät aloita, kun joku kertoo niille. Ne aloittavat, kun sääntöjärjestelmät pysyvät loppumaan. Ja nyt on todella tärkeät sääntöjärjestelmät, jotka ovat yhdessä. Yksi tärkeä pointti.
is that the next move matters more than the statements themselves that are being made. If Minnesota files for injunctions and Trump defies court orders, the risk of an escalation goes up dramatically. If courts act quickly and both sides at least pretend to comply, it'll probably cool down the situation.
Järjestelmäkohdallisuuden riski kasvaa, ei vain, kun ihmiset vastaavat, mutta myös, kun järjestelmäkohdallisuudet eivät käsitellyt. Jos ihmiset sanovat, että he eivät kiinnosta, mitä järjestelmä kertoi, niin riski on tietysti se, että on useita tapauksia, joissa viime vuonna Trumpin järjestelmä kertoi, että he eivät kiinnosta, mitä järjestelmät kertovat. Tärkeä yksityiskohtainen yhdistys Iceen ja valtion järjestelmäkohdalla voisi luoda haasteita, joita en usko, että Trump on valmis käsittelemään.
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