In this sharp, high-energy episode of The Determined Society, host Shawn French sits down with the iconic Kelly Killoren Bensimon — model, author, Real Housewives of New York alum, and powerhouse luxury real-estate broker — for a raw conversation about mental toughness, authenticity, and legacy. Kelly opens up about the lessons learned after fame, how she rebuilt her identity beyond reality TV, and why music and curiosity still fuel her every move. From embracing “minnow vs shark” mindset shifts to navigating public perception, Kelly shares what it really takes to evolve in the spotlight while staying grounded in family and purpose. The two dive into double standards, resilience, and the underrated power of healthy coping mechanisms — from horses and polo to parenting and purpose. Kelly reveals how she transformed criticism into clarity, leveraged her Midwest roots for grit, and turned chaos into creativity through focus, curiosity, and real work. By the end, you’ll see that behind the headlines and the high-rises is a woman defined not by fame, but by fearless reinvention. Key Takeaways: -Music fuels mindset — every success story starts with a rhythm. -Minnows can become sharks through curiosity and work ethic. -Public perception ≠ personal truth — redefine yourself through action. -Mental toughness and self-awareness outlast hype. -Curiosity is the secret weapon in business and life. -Authenticity wins — people feel what’s real. -Family and legacy matter more than fame or followers. Connect with me : https://link.me/theshawnfrench?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaY2s9TipS1cPaEZZ9h692pnV-rlsO-lzvK6LSFGtkKZ53WvtCAYTKY7lmQ_aem_OY08g381oa759QqTr7iPGA Kelly Bensimon https://www.instagram.com/kellybensimon/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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