Has Poland fallen out of love with Ukraine?
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I'm following this energetic sixty six year old Maria Krull as she takes us on a quick tour of the building, part of a health charity she set up thirty six years ago in the town of Zamosz in southeast Poland. This looks like a gem. uh this is the first rehabilitation and therapeutic centre for children nineteen ninety two started And after we organise a lot of facilities for adults, for example, so now we have Twelve. Twelve different centres. In Zamos and around Zamos. And help Three hundred, four hundred families. We have schools, we have uh health centres, we have social care centres, residential places, workshops. So when you say three, four hundred families you're talking about Polish families mainly.
Polish, yes. But you also have a few Ukrainian families still with you. Now few. And on the wall there there's the big sign this is crook the crookiem which means step by step. That's the name of your association. It is English, you know? Okay, that's that's from England. But what what what I can see is various um wheelchairs, there's this equipment to lift up patients because one of the things they do deal with here is cerebral palsy.
You have a son who's also disappointed? My son uh has cerebral palsy and now he's forty one years old. Wow. On the uh porcher. But clever. Now so are you, I'm sure. And the thing is, Maria, your organization has been helping a lot of Ukrainians, particularly since twenty twenty two, since the full scale invasion. Yes, a lot. If there's ever a good example of a Polish person who's gone out of her way to help Ukrainian refugees, Maria is it. For years she'd been providing training and workshops to Ukrainian teachers and therapists, then Russia launched its invasion. She's looking through her covers which are full of files. Oh, she's brought out a kind of laminated poster. Which is in It is in Polish and in Ukrainian language.
And what does it say? We give information. for Ukrainian refugees with disabled people with disabled children to come to us for help. So you put these up in Ukraine m my phone and my colleague phone so we stop uh sleep By two months. So you didn't sleep for two months at the beginning of the of the full scale invasion. A lot of adrenaline. It was adrenaline. And uh Very important work. So as a result of that Lots of Ukrainians came here. Three hundred families. Three hundred families. Three hundred families. So that's a lot of people because each family would have had several members. Yes, and uh with dogs and cats And stay in our places. We gave them two small rooms. for three for days and we looked for uh support for herb in different places in Poland, in German, in Sweden, in different places.
You you've talked about adrenaline, you've talked about the important work
Why did Poland initially welcome Ukrainian refugees with such strong support?
But were you happy to be doing it? a woman who like to help people because I am a doctor, I want to help children and different people. And because we Polish people we understand very good the terrible time of war. Because in Poland we have very bad periods. Yes, you've got a tough history. Yes. And our enemy is Russia. Every time it's Russia. So we identificate with them, with Ukrainian people. Because our common enemy
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–5:13
2
Why did Poland initially welcome Ukrainian refugees with such strong support?
5:13–13:49
3
How did Maria Krull’s charity help Ukrainian families during the first months of the war?
13:49–27:45
4
What problems emerged as Ukrainian refugees stayed longer in Polish communities?
27:45–33:56