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The Dr. Hyman Show

The Industry Secret Keeping You Inflamed, Tired, & Bloated | Nina Teicholz & Max Lugavere

03 Feb 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main myth about cooking with olive oil?

11.152 - 21.154 Nina Teicholz

For some reason, we've been told that the Mediterranean dietary pattern, as it's lauded in the Western medical literature, involves canola oil and all of these crap oils and that you can't cook with extra virgin olive oil.

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23.305 - 37.655 Dr. Mark Hyman

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71.294 - 91.041 Dr. Mark Hyman

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91.801 - 108.227 Dr. Mark Hyman

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109.662 - 129.714 Dr. Mark Hyman

Now, we were all taught when I was a kid that vegetable oil, and by the way, what the hell is vegetable oil? You see vegetable oil in a bottle in a store? What is that, broccoli oil? I mean, that just does not even exist. So we're talking about seed and bean and nut oils, like soybean oil, canola oil, safflower oil, corn oil, canola oil.

129.974 - 148.759 Dr. Mark Hyman

These are all these oils that are out there, and by the way, there is something called vegetable oil, which you can buy in the grocery store. I have no idea what that is. Anyway, I wouldn't eat that. We're all trained that they're better for you. And then we should be avoiding butter and saturated fat and animal fats.

149.46 - 162.73 Dr. Mark Hyman

And so there's been a big push to shift our diet from consuming more saturated fats to more unsaturated fats. And saturation, unsaturation, it's a chemical classification based on how many of the

Chapter 2: Why are vegetable oils considered harmful?

1799.893 - 1815.219 Max Lugavere

When you put them under heat, like any chemical reaction, that speeds up and it creates literally hundreds of degraded oxidation products, some of which are known toxins. Look up the word aldehyde and see what that is, a known toxin that is created.

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1815.72 - 1818.881 Dr. Mark Hyman

Deep fryers, they call it acrylamide, which is super toxic.

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1819.521 - 1835.649 Max Lugavere

Acrylamide is another one. And they occur, so without going into too much detail, but when all the big fast food chains like Burger King and McDonald's switched over to trans-free oils, oils without trans fats, they went right back to using just regular old vegetable oils.

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1835.669 - 1850.837 Max Lugavere

I mean, much as we don't like trans fats, what they did is that they stabilized the oil, that process of hardening the oil made it stable. Now we have these totally unstable oils in these fryers, They create hundreds of degraded toxic products.

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1851.377 - 1872.567 Max Lugavere

Those products are now known, experiments have been done to show that they enter into the food and that food enters into your body and that those products go past the blood-brain barrier. And if you eat a lot of those chicken McDungats or French fries or whatever, they are going to build up in your body and cause toxic inflammation in your body.

1872.587 - 1891.405 Dr. Mark Hyman

I used to work when I was 17, I used to work in this mother's sandwich shop. And I, my job was to, you know, deliver the sandwiches and a little Volkswagen. But at night at the end of the shift, I would have to go in the kitchen and clean the oil. So literally it would run the oil through a filter so they could reuse it. And we used the same oil for a month, heated, heated, reheated, reheated.

1891.425 - 1909.096 Dr. Mark Hyman

It was terrible. And, um, You know, I think people don't realize that McDonald's and all those companies used to use beef tallow to fry in. And now they switched to Crisco, basically, trans fats. And now they've gone to vegetable oils, which in some ways may be just as bad, if not worse. So it's pretty frightening.

1909.256 - 1918.184 Max Lugavere

I think it's definitely worse. And you know, Actually, ironically, it's probably like places like McDonald's and Burger King are probably safer than your mom and pop shop, right?

1918.224 - 1933.337 Max Lugavere

Because they have all these regulations in the big stores about not reusing their oils too much and then they know about this oxidation product, so they've developed things like nitrogen blankets and silicon beads that they put in the oil to try to absorb all the toxic oxidation products.

Chapter 4: How did the vegetable oil industry influence nutrition science?

1819.521 - 1835.649 Max Lugavere

Acrylamide is another one. And they occur, so without going into too much detail, but when all the big fast food chains like Burger King and McDonald's switched over to trans-free oils, oils without trans fats, they went right back to using just regular old vegetable oils.

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1835.669 - 1850.837 Max Lugavere

I mean, much as we don't like trans fats, what they did is that they stabilized the oil, that process of hardening the oil made it stable. Now we have these totally unstable oils in these fryers, They create hundreds of degraded toxic products.

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1851.377 - 1872.567 Max Lugavere

Those products are now known, experiments have been done to show that they enter into the food and that food enters into your body and that those products go past the blood-brain barrier. And if you eat a lot of those chicken McDungats or French fries or whatever, they are going to build up in your body and cause toxic inflammation in your body.

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1872.587 - 1891.405 Dr. Mark Hyman

I used to work when I was 17, I used to work in this mother's sandwich shop. And I, my job was to, you know, deliver the sandwiches and a little Volkswagen. But at night at the end of the shift, I would have to go in the kitchen and clean the oil. So literally it would run the oil through a filter so they could reuse it. And we used the same oil for a month, heated, heated, reheated, reheated.

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1891.425 - 1909.096 Dr. Mark Hyman

It was terrible. And, um, You know, I think people don't realize that McDonald's and all those companies used to use beef tallow to fry in. And now they switched to Crisco, basically, trans fats. And now they've gone to vegetable oils, which in some ways may be just as bad, if not worse. So it's pretty frightening.

1909.256 - 1918.184 Max Lugavere

I think it's definitely worse. And you know, Actually, ironically, it's probably like places like McDonald's and Burger King are probably safer than your mom and pop shop, right?

1918.224 - 1933.337 Max Lugavere

Because they have all these regulations in the big stores about not reusing their oils too much and then they know about this oxidation product, so they've developed things like nitrogen blankets and silicon beads that they put in the oil to try to absorb all the toxic oxidation products.

1933.917 - 1942.701 Max Lugavere

So they're actually, their oils are probably better than your local Chinese stir fry or whatever, where they're, I mean, that's probably where the real danger is.

1942.721 - 1946.582 Dr. Mark Hyman

But I have to tell you- Go from McDonald's over Chinese takeout, is that it?

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