Why Are Palantir and OpenAI Scared of Alex Bores?
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If you are living in New York's 12th congressional district, you may have seen these endless attacks on Alex Boris, one of the Democrats running there.
He made hundreds of thousands of dollars building and selling the tech for ICE, enabling ICE and powering their deportations while making bank. Now he's running from his past. ICE is powered by Boris's tech.
Yikes. Boris did work for Palantir. The rest of that attack is not what you might call true. But what interests me is who is paying for it. The Super PAC leading the future and its subsidiary, Think Big. Who funds the Super PAC leading the future? Well, among their big donors are co-founders of OpenAI, Andreessen Horowitz, and wait for it, Palantir. So why is a co-founder of Palantir, Joe Lonsdale in this case, funding a super PAC to try to destroy a candidate on the grounds that he once worked for Palantir? The reason is Leading the Future is a super PAC dedicated to destroying anyone who might regulate the tech industry in general, or AI specifically, in a way these funders don't like. And Boris is a member of the New York State Assembly, co-authored and passed the RAISE Act, one of the first pieces of AI regulation passed in any major state.
There is a principle here that is much more important than any single congressional seat. You'll hear it, honestly, if you just listen to AI founders talk. They say they believe in it. Sam Altman, a co-founder of OpenAI, who it should be said has been horribly targeted in recent violent attacks by anti-AI individuals. He was trying to cool down temperatures here, writing, it is important that the democratic process remains more powerful than companies. It is important that the democratic process remains more powerful than companies. Altman is right. But it's his co-founder, Greg Brockman, who is one of the major donors for Leading the Future, who is trying to make sure the democratic process is subordinate to the companies and is trying to do it by funding a super PAC that can unleash enough money to crush any legislators who cross them.
Boris, in general, been a pretty effective legislator. In just over three years in the New York State Assembly, he's passed 30 bills and has been recognized by the Center for Effective Lawmaking as one of the most effective freshmen legislators. But it's his ideas on regulating AI that particularly interests me, in part because I think they make sense and are worth discussing, things like an AI dividend, but in part because I just really do not want to live in the world that Leading the Future is trying to create. A world where the AI industry hoovers in enough money that it can then destroy anyone who might regulate them. What's funny about all this is, you'll hear it, Alex Boris, not an anti-AI kind of guy.
I think he gets AI pretty well. I think he's trying to balance its risks and its possibilities. But if you're looking for a pure AI backlash candidate, he's not it. And I think that tells you something, that what leading the future and super PACs and groups that might emerge like it are actually trying to do is to stop anyone from legislating on AI. So if the democratic process is actually going to mean something here, ideas are going to have to speak louder than this kind of money. So I wanted to hear what Boris would actually do if given the chance. As always, my email is reclineshow at NYTimes.com.
Alex Boris, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. So I want to begin a bit in your early political memories. How did your politics begin?
Well, it began with something that I wouldn't necessarily call politics, only in retrospect would I put that phrase on it.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–5:37
2
What are the motivations behind the attacks on Alex Bores?
5:37–11:06
3
What is the RAISE Act and why is it significant?
11:06–14:29
4
How does the AI industry view regulation according to Bores?
14:29–17:10
5
What ideas does Alex Bores propose for AI regulation?
17:10–21:43
6
How does Bores envision funding an AI dividend?
21:43–23:14
7
How does Alex Bores' background influence his campaign?
23:14–23:36
8
What are the implications of AI on the job market?
23:36–1:34:07