Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find Out podcast. We have a great, great, great show for you today. We're going to be talking about all kinds of foreign policy stuff, the war in Iran, new secrets that apparently Trump was keeping in Mar-a-Lago that just dropped this morning.
And also, we're going to talk about a brand new Find Out media show with our resident foreign policy and national security expert, Dr. Nola Haynes.
nola how are you today hi so nola is the new host and nola's been on the show once before and nola is the host of a new show that drops today so once you once you watch this you go watch that it's nola haynes is not a spy so nola tell us a little bit about the name and what the show is about and then we're going to dive into all this crazy stuff in the middle east
Okay, so first of all, thank you guys for having me back on. The first time I was on, we had such a good time that y'all gave me a whole show.
I know. Message to any important people watching, you come on the show, you might get your own show.
And I think you're our first repeat guest ever, right?
Yes.
Oh, shit. So special. Nice.
So first and foremost, I'm so happy to be officially part of the Find Out Media family. And I am actually really happy that we had a chance. most of us to get together in person for the DC launch party. That was really special. And yeah, so Nola Haynes is not a spy, regardless of what my father may think. The podcast drops today, really excited. And, you know, we do all types of fun stuff.
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Chapter 2: What is the main focus of Nola Haynes is Not a Spy?
So. First, the mission. The mission is to talk about foreign policy and security, but in a way where it meets culture, right? So we bring in those old school TV shows and films that you might have grown up with. Like, for instance, I'm going to give one part away from the Harry Dunn interview. He loves Special Victim Unit. He loves Law and Order.
Oh, Sfoo?
Huh?
I always call it Sfoo. Sfoo. Oh, I haven't heard Sfoo. I heard SVU.
I haven't heard Sfoo. So he loves SVU. It's not necessarily why he became a cop per se, but it's those things that kind of, that we grow up with that we don't think about in the context of being national security focused or foreign policy focused. So that's how we're bringing culture into the conversation.
how we're getting to know people deeper is through what you watched as a kid, you know, and what you still watch. Like, for instance, I loved Commando growing up as a child because I loved Alyssa Milano. Like, I loved Commando. And I was like, I want to be Alyssa Milano and do action films when I grow up. So that was really formative for me.
So those are sorts of things that we're getting at when we talk to all these exciting people. Like, what were those movies that you liked when you grew up and do you still tune in?
Yeah. And I will say we've I've seen some bits of it already. It's really, really engaging, really interesting. And I think people are going to really like it. Also, I know it's going to be a hit because when Nola came to the to the launch party, she came with she rolled like like 50 people deep. Like she she packed the room. So I know even if they just listen, it's going to be a hit.
So you guys should get on board because you're going to be hearing a lot more about this.
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Chapter 3: What challenges does Nola face in creating her long-form show?
So but anyway, so so everybody go check out Nola Haynes is not a spy. It's available online. Wherever you watch this show, it will be right next to it. So you can go ahead and check that out. But Nola, so foreign policy, national security is also in the news because we are in a war that nobody seems to understand why we're in it. So I know you have all the answers, Nola.
I know you can read deeply into the mind of Donald Trump. Do you have any sense? We're in like week, what, four, three or four of this war. Do we know why we're there?
It's starting to become clearer. At the beginning, the administration or the regime, they were not shy about bandying around concepts like regime change. I don't think that they've moved away from that idea, but something a little bit more starting to become clearer. And that is Israel's positioning in all of this, right? Regime change to what end?
And what it is looking like is for Israel under Netanyahu to be positioned, um, As not just maybe the hegemon in the region, but also controlling oil and, you know, all the energy that flows through the Middle East. So that is a potential end goal to this. And I want to really point out to people that this isn't a new concept that Bibi Netanyahu has floated.
It's a reason why the Biden-Harris administration did not get on board with this plan. Right. But here comes Trump. He's gone. Oh, hey, let's let's let's do it. Let's break international law all over the place, because. there is this idea, not so much about a superpower, more than there's an idea of kind of like regional hegemons, regional powers, right?
So I am still waiting to see if that is in fact the end goal, because we don't know what China is doing per se and how they feel about that. They haven't really chimed in other than they want the war in Iran to stop. So it can't just be Netanyahu and Trump you know, maneuvering around the world, trying to carve it out in their vision. There are many other actors involved in this.
And the last thing that I'll say about this kind of regime change, wanting to position Israel as the regional hegemon, I think the other countries have something to say, you know, Dubai waking up to a five-star hotel being bombed was not on their bingo card. I'm quite sure.
Right. Right. I mean, I think that that's I think we're in a mess now because Donald Trump went in without a clear objective. And he was, as you said, talking about regime change. And yes, we have killed a lot of their high up leaders, the Ayatollah, though we replaced Ayatollah Khomeini with Ayatollah Khomeini, which we still haven't seen a proof of life of.
But, you know, it's theoretically the leader and we've killed a bunch of other people. But Um, I think one of the things I'm really curious to get your take on Nolan, this is going to be a slightly sarcastic question. No, when you were in a war. Oh, I got it. I, my, my, my main roots are going to come out on this one.
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Chapter 4: What is the current situation in the war in Iran?
Like I was just looking at the filibuster the other day and just the Senate rules around the SAVE Act. I don't think people realize how much is just because of the Senate rules. The parliamentarian is just a person who serves at the majority leader's whim and can be replaced at any time. Every single thing that Trump wants done – don't let him hear this –
Every single thing that Trump wants done could be done with a simple majority vote. If John Thune just said the parliamentarian has got to go and replaced with a mega loyalist who just allowed all the rules to be broken in the Senate.
Like that is literally the last thing standing between us and the save act and like all the, in the, in the mega act, all the, the additional voting rights restrictions, like, It's it's it's terrifying. We have to have federal laws that change that so that we're not just hoping people back the system because they want to be.
I would be in favor of of limits or the elimination of the pardon for president, period.
Chapter 5: How has the media failed in its coverage of the Iran conflict?
I don't think like when they get like five. Or, yeah, you get a number. You just like you get five.
That's like a get out.
It's a literal get out of jail for free card.
If you like more criminals than five, then you're going to have a problem.
This is the other thing that I think that the candidate that will end up being victorious in the Democratic Party, I think that they should be offering solutions that actually limit the power of the presidency. And like the fact that Congress is completely, you know, basically threw its hands up and said to the president, you could do whatever the hell you want.
Like there needs to be some reining in of this. And the fact that we are waging a war, it is a war without congressional approval is also illegal. There was no cleared present threat. And the only threat we've heard is Bibi Netanyahu, who has said for 40 years that Iran is three months away from a nuclear weapon. He has said that for you could find clips that go way back.
So I think we need to say it for 30 years. Yeah, I think it's a justice. And he said, Rich, there's needs to be a justice agenda, which includes prosecuting people, limiting the powers and doing things to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
again how do we what law stops that from happening again in the future without handcuffing the president's ability to like to respond does it have to be a retaliation that that they're allowed to do or like how do we stop preemptive forever wars being an option for the president without you know handcuffing our ability to defend ourselves
Well, that's a great question. And then I will also circle back with the about what needs to happen about the justice agenda. So in terms of what law is being violated. So I want to be very clear. There was no justification. There was no reason for us to go into Iran in as much as people do not like Iraq to be. do not like Afghanistan, there was ostensibly a reason. And that's 9-11.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of U.S. involvement in the Iran war?
military personnel like that in country. This is not a humanitarian mission. This, to my mind, is an invasion. And there are conversations about where this can potentially happen. So there's the Island of Hearts, there's Qeshm, and then there's also an area on the border of Pakistan that could give the United States some sort of tactical advantage, but
Iran's geography makes all of these different things very, very difficult. So trying to figure out exactly where they're going to land and what the motive is. I mean, I don't have a crystal ball, but this is all about oil, y'all. This is all about oil, you know. So it stands to reason that it's going to have something to do with the Strait of Hormuz or even at the Nape, which is Keshem.
And will we be deployed in that area to fight for the Strait of Hormuz? This is what we need to keep an eye on. Are we deploying American soldiers because we are wanting to fight for control for the Strait? That's just a question that's out there.
Hmm.
Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah. Dandy. Oh, yeah. It's like I'm just sitting here. Y'all speechless. Oh, congratulations. That might be one of the first times ever. Yeah. Well, and the thing the thing that, you know, I think everyone's seen this by now. But Trump the other day said that he was not going to strike the first. He threatened to strike their energy production capabilities.
Then he said, oh, we've had great talks with Iran, so we're going to pause for five days. Trump, always a delay, right? There's always, taco, right? Two-week Trump. Trump always chickens out. Two-week Trump. And then it turns out that Iran had not talked to Donald Trump, but who had talked to Donald Trump were a bunch of our allies who were basically like, what the hell are you doing?
We saw the Macron texts from before because Trump leaked them. Weirdly, they didn't make him look good. The Greenland ones? No, the ones where he was. Oh, yeah, it was Greenland. Sorry, it wasn't Iran. But like they all think he's an idiot. Of course. Already. But like what? So like what are we doing in this middle period?
Because we haven't been talking to Iran like unless they're telling Trump because I heard there was a story this morning that said that they're not actually giving Trump all of the accurate information because they're trying to not make him mad. which is really, really problematic. Not childish at all. Not surprising, though. No.
So do we have any support amongst any of our allies, Nola, on this incursion? Is there anybody who's like, yeah, besides, I'm not counting Israel, but they clearly do. But like, is there anybody else with us?
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